did that. what do they want? you know, uh, the flaming uh, the plain uh, blaming game. you know, a, the flaming uh, the other party or if it blame, blaming. uh, the mediators are so really, uh, you know, to predict what they want. is there anybody or i think it's the responsibility of the support of baldwin, the security council. now, especially the guarantee or of this uh, this proposal is the us the agent and cuts out in the u. n. and i think uh, you know, uh if, if the us was presenting, you know, the, is that id part, it says that responsibility not to stop them. right. great to hear your thoughts on all of that so far is all about okay, at a certain chief goals time. so, you know, have you thank you very much. while the us state department says, is reviewing a master's response on the sci fi proposal and says it will be discussing the response with his allies in the region. there has been

a significant offer on the table. the ball has been a mazda is court. we have made clear that they should accept that offer, that israel made significant compromises shows that they wanted to reach an agreement that would lead to the release of hostages. that would bring an immediate cease fire. and we have hopes that moss would take the deal that was on the table now as to what's in their response, what it looks like. we're going to review that and withhold judgment to we've had a chance to conduct a full review that we just, just literally in the past hour, 90 minutes of receive that response from home off in the 1st place. of course, we will be discussing it with egypt with cutter, with israel, the 3 countries with whom we have been working throughout this negotiation process . but i don't want to get into time into those. but obviously, if we have, if those conversations and not already started, they will be ongoing in the next several hours. ok, let's look in a bit more. these are the usaa response on them. fishes lie for us. and washington island. i'm not sure whether you had the discussion here in the studio, but we talked about red lines being crossed. one of the key us red lines for it's

all a is row was, but it's what i was not meant to push into rafa. it looks as if that's happening. what does that say about the body administration seems to, instead of addressing yahoo going forward. well, i'm not entirely sure that it was a red line. it certainly what the united states has said. that if there was to be a large scale operation, they didn't want that they didn't want a large scale operation. but if there was, then there had to be some provision made for the hundreds of thousands of people who are directly in the fighting light. and certainly the united states have been putting pressure on israel, north dakota. yeah, there's large scale operation. instead they thought something could be much more targeted, much more effective and deliver the results that israel wanted. and they certainly presented those plans to the 3 weeks for the israelis. they said that they would consult with the united states before they did anything. but consulting isn't the

same as listening. and certainly we've seen over the duration of the watering guys that while the united states has offered advice publicly, it's not something that israel has readily accepted that we can judge from what we're seeing publicly. certainly the language being used by the state department and also by the white house, which suggests that there is an element of pressure on these really is one. because they don't want to see this large scale operation and rough up. but all see the see this as an opportunity to have the captives written. and when they say that this was a significant offer that was on the table, the ball was and how much is court to try and come up with the response. and then you get the response, be clearly want to see what that response says did how much just say yes, we agree to that or did they say yes, we agree to that, but we want to change this, that would give these relays some level of wiggle room,

what is interesting is that john carpet, here's the national security council spokesman with us is there's some sort of ploy by how much to throw all that public consent and back onto the israelis to accept the deal. he said that he wasn't going to answer that question by just by calling it a significant offer. seeing how much really should respond to this. but united states actually did that themselves so, so it will be interesting to see how this plays. i, as the us starts to gather information, they speak to william buttons, who's the c i a director who's commonly in the region as well. i'm working, we are told in real time to get more information into the offer, which i've got to tell you the white house said there's a fox to find out about it by watching. i'll just see it. yeah, fascinating. that last the way this information came came to light, it does beg, the question of whether or not u. s. involvement could have been a little bit more deeper, right. more rigorous. have they been sidelined by the likes of coffee in egypt

in the drawing up at this proposal? well, the reality is that well, joe biden, types himself as a scientist. he said that when he went to israel very soon after, what happened in october, the 7th. while he said that his newest onto a supporter of israel then jo by then has been for for many, many years. the reality is that the years really haven't really listen to them. they made it clear very heavily on that they would conduct the war the way that they saw foot. and, well, i think united states may have had some input and saying, look, don't do this, do that, be careful of this what's for that. you are losing public support and that is something that they had said on numerous occasions. these families have acted by law. does if they don't care for any information, any guidance that is coming out of the white house, the state department, or even the pentagon. so is it harder for,

is it for the united states to get involved? certainly they've been working through the egyptians and the could tardies, as we know, they can certainly put a bit of pressure behind the scenes. and you'll remember, it's not that long ago that joe biden said, unless humanitarian issues were taken into account, then that could change the way that the united states offer as aid to israel and publicly that hasn't changed for the time big, but also publicly the level of support hasn't changed, you'll remember that the united states continues to politically support benjamin netanyahu, whose government they, politically, they support sending more weapons into gaza so that the families can prosecute the war. and of course they supported israel went around and attacked after the uh, the rocket, the sold in city. yeah. and so the us hasn't waiver that is public position. and that is why we're not getting anything from them today to say, you know, this is a really good deal. they don't want to get ahead of the say at least they don't

want to appear in public. if there's a gap between what is happening with benjamin netanyahu, his government, and also what the white house is doing to, to buy some royal has as an waiver, despite the incredible heat in the j biden's backyard. given all the process that we're seeing across university campuses there in the space or the certainly people of the white house that would point to some of the comments about joe biden saying, look, we can perhaps, as we look at age, it certainly the public criticism when it comes to we don't want a large scale operation in, in rafa, but that doesn't help and politically, it doesn't help joe biden, who is facing a betty tight re election race in 6 months when thousands of students across the united states are staging protests. and using tons like genocide jewel with the believe, but this white host is actively supporting what is going on in gaza. and they certainly are leasing support away from joe biden. he's already probably going to

lose michigan, which is a stacy can ill afford to lose. and if more young people leave the bite in coalition, it makes reelection for him much tougher. and so they would like to see it instead of this war sooner rather than later. because we know memories and politics are relatively short, and they're hoping that in 6 months time when people go to cast their vote. but the idea of genocide jewel is just a distant memory for many that would form the natural coalition for job i. or i have an official and washington money. thanks. i and i can't, let's bring in a fight as well. how much? okay. again, he said just to remind you editor in chief of the gulf time. so thanks for staying with us. so i don't know if a lot of course, to, to somebody for it to unpack, as more details come to light about what precisely how mass has agreed to in terms of the sci fi proposal. what israel may or may not agree to what we seem to

understand the moment is that the israeli will kind of the cabinet, has unanimously decided that it will push ahead with this operation. and rafa one of the same time sending mediators to egypt, i want to talk about how media ation works. you know, i mean, how we now go to expect from us to go back to the egypt as well. are we going to see that, you know, it's really mediators. so my boss mediators in the same room what role cas are and the egypt play going for media to work when both party respect to the media, to the rules. so the ground floor, the ground floor. this, the proposal is at hand that's agreed on. as everybody knows who that is the all part of that is that i already have a have, has a agreed on going to his city know going to the city. does

any agreement that is that i have signed or agreed on have been uploaded to them? i don't think so. also, and many other agreements going back to this now this the protocol should say, it isn't and that is no uh, an official statement. i think we should wait for the so official a statement from the cabinets of uh you know, the cabin itself is that i you we know what to say for what, but sending uh, sending uh that i'll try sign and sending people to egypt. yeah. you, you think it undermines trust, building the finish? yeah. because of the, the, this document that we have seen. so the 10 documents because with 3 stages cuts out on egypt and the us and the u. n. oblige and they are going to supervisor or this a city pots. and to tell you the truth or not, does that last part,

which i think is the most interesting one. still in the blockade. those guys locate a 17 year long slow. yeah. just remind you because you know, kind of land and sea length and see, you know, if that gets succeed, i think both parties can go back to the you enter solution. and that agent can have a better step by letting you know, by going back to the peace process and people can think button this way back and forth, back and forth. this is literally, uh they, they all never the less, the extreme, the, i'm vicious to mountains you know, to hands a 17 year long located or a timelines located in the patient. and of course the, and the occupation on 70 or 70 5 pm central, co pays for 75 years of occupations. these are huge fundamental on the load onto the nation resolution that everybody wants to live in peace. and this, we just wonder whether in the context of getting this immediate conflict come to an

end to save lives, whether such a vicious, ambitious demands may have to be potentially sidelined in order to secure an immediate cease fire. why it's important to me. yes, it's important because it takes people out of the water mode. and when taking off the i think this is the ceasefire, especially stage one is very important. or because i think the opposite. it's that this phase 16 feet. it's going to be very hard to go back to work. so the phase one is very important. i believe it's 40, and you're saying it's essential to have these key milestones in a very, very distinct robot. yes. to put a lot of money in a way that we have to been pasadena, that's one part of the mediation, you know, is to build trust between 2 parties. what do you think is, or at least likely to push back on from what we've seen so far? with the tell you honestly, you know, and i don't want to talk about the, you know, the people of is, right, you know,

or the people of palestine. i think this region needs to go back before 7 of october and then go back to the table a negotiation and respect, international law of respect resolution. there is no another way. let's talk more about the, about the region and we've, we've, we've heard of a statement of correspondent and i'm on mentioned that the, the king of jordan has been insisting that israel doesn't push it into rough. uh, what sort of the roles go could other nations in the region play? i think, you know, the united states has a very big a, you know, role and the relation was that was all parties here. so it's not the favorites anyone to escalate this. we have seen what happened uh, you know, at bottom end up and then, how is this effect of the will treat the inflation. we have seen the water and they'll come in. what's happened? you know, water if it's escalate, nobody can, you know, can this can lead to think. so it's very important that super power plays that role

. i would not, i would, i would always say that of course, because it isn't the dental people, the united states, u t. i a long time highlight all of israel is going to pay substantial i q. yeah. vital role given also the billions of dollars of mandatory age and support, and it gives the country as well. but what we have seen time and time again as the benjamin netanyahu. a selective hearing, he's prepared to listen to the united states to a certain extent, but also prepared so many because those decisions, particularly when it comes to wrap it up, something for us do you don't want to see? when do you know? i disagree? i will disagree with you, i don't think the, you know, the chief of the c i, a director will extend his visits and cuts out and do this last minute with custody people. you know, people have not been sleeping for the last 7 months. i would say and working hard to reach that is, i don't think, i think the united states, i'm not talking about the instinct. i think this time is very clear to come one,

it's affecting the election. the movement of the universities, the economy, they can the inflation of the awards and buttoned up again, this is a flow of all you guys, you know, the so ways can, you know, everybody is being effective though. when it comes to buckets of people, people who don't, you know, it's not on the, you know, a human human the human case. so i, i disagree. i think i think that now it's about the neck. and i hope this, this night to goes when and i think i hope, i hope you know, that we have to have the hope to tell you the tools, you know, we certainly have time, you're fine. so many things. thank you very much. thank you. all right, let's uh, begin. kristen sleeve me now. she joins us life with united nations in new york and kristen. i understand that that has been as un reaction from the security council that of that story. the secretary general,

antonio gutierrez, is reiterating his call for the leaders of some us and the government of israel to quote, go the extra mile to secure some kind of a cease fire agreement in place. he has expressed his deep concern about an impending military operation in rough or where so many have already been displaced before and are living in desperate conditions. his concerns have been echoed by the office for humanitarian affairs here at the united nations and the high commissioner for human rights. they all say that an evacuation or a ground operation would just be impossible to carry out because there's no place safe for people to go in gaza. they point out that causes are being asked to relocate to an area that is already over crowded and doesn't have adequate services. that evacuation court orders are likely to have minds and

unexploded ordnance in them. and furthermore, that over half of the displaced people a half 1000000 people in gaza are in rough, are already children of all of this, posing grave risks for them should a military operation into action in russia would also cripple humanitarian operations going forward. so that's another concern for the united nation. all fuel comes through the process for example. so any military action there would just be devastating for humanitarian operations into that. and you are saying that they are not helping un, involuntary evacuations of ross, or they are not setting up new camps or moving people because they just feel it is not safe to do so. yeah, kristen, you shot a lot of us the on some of the latest data events come from the u. n. saying the move in off of because of as homes have now been destroyed or damaged,

80 percent of commercial facilities have been destroyed. something like 73 percent of school buildings. this list in front of me goes on and on and on. that's a huge amount of writing on this. um, i have to choose towards israel have very much divided the general assembly that just gives a sense of how pope polarized the u. n. has being throughout these many months now of conflict. well actually nav, i could say that the international community here at the united nations is actually quite united and it's call for a cease fire. the general assembly has called for one. even the security council has on the record the call for a a, a ceasefire. the problem is that further action has been blocked and the security council by the united states. but that set the united states as on the record calling for cease fire, saying that it doesn't want an invasion and raw for that. that should not happen.

but the, and then negotiations are ongoing for yet another security council resolution that would establish those 2 facts and desires, in writing a call for a ceasefire and no offensive and rasa. and also with a look towards the 2 state solution or pathway forward. this is being negotiated by france, but the united states keeps saying, well, this action by any action, by the security council would be meaningless unless we get some, uh, bion on the ground for so the un has been pushing back against further action at the united nations while at the same time, claiming to want the same thing that all of the nations here want just waiting for israel to come on board in the region before it. it supports further action here at the us. all right, kristen. so leave me with the you and money. thanks. and so if you will, just joining us, i'm us as agreed to

a cease fire deal by the guitar in egyptian mediate as the deputy head to from us. and guns actually allow high a has site degree receive assurance system mediation is that this deal would be implemented and mediation has told us that the us president is clearly committed to ensuring the implementation of the agreement. the boy was now in the course of these, where the occupation we informed the mediation is that we agree completely with the proposal. the mediators now so put pressure on the as really side to agree as well as soon as possible. but if the occupation wants to continue the war, the onus is on the mediators in the international community. but we did what we were supposed to do, and we're patient, we will own l land. and i think we did everything from people. and in this stage of the negotiations, we achieve the goals we talked about. i'm assessed a full ceasefire full withdrawal of israeli troops. return of the displaced with no conditions and the aid from people and the deals the exchange of prisoners. we will

continue until the end for you all captives from the occupations jails. and i'll just, they're a senior political atlas mountain bush as far as back with me here in the studio. my one just to bring view is up to speed with what the already will cabinets response to a bass accepting this proposal that part of the biggest take away is that it demands a complete and lasting cease. 5 is really responses we're going to push on into rafa. but nevertheless we're going to send some mediators to each of how do you do those 2 things. similar tenuously push on with your ministry campaign while keeping the diplomatic tool going on. and what's the strategy? the strategy of this you give it the benefit of the doubt is that is a believes, the more you put military pressure on him us by getting more palestinians and destroying modified a stein, you will get more concession out of it. so the more is that it pushes on many

thought only the more they think they would get concessions are from us. the other explanation which i lean towards is that nothing, you know, and these governments of fanatics are not interested in a cease fire, so much so that it's now become almost um, here's an example if you will. and i started, i mean i haven't seen it myself yet, but it's been reported widely that it has actually accepted the version of that injection proposals back in april. defective thought, except that fax is not accepting if not because it just doesn't want. i mean, it was involved in the diplomatic every now because it's basically trying to please the united states. but this government has set from the very beginning. it has a number of goals. it wants to achieve the destruction of how mouse is one of them . if with accepts the ceasefire with have us,

it means that accepts the fact that it does not destroy how much one last very important point about that. it's one of my most those organs breeds stupidity or even when and this is that does at that offer. and does destroy it off and get tens of thousands of more about us and use. it wouldn't distort him us best. but less than that, the americans have learned, and they are teaching that to these really is that no matter what you're going to do, how many people are going to, can you probably get a give more coats to have us in the future out of the money people who lost their loved ones, it's a catch 22 situation by looks of it for, for benjamin that's in yahoo. if he pushes on into rough. uh, he, again, the international opinion of israel is actions wesson's. if he, on the other hand, you know, agrees to this proposal, he capitulates to my solutions,

as part of right wing is within his own governments. i mean, this is a little tight road for nothing. yeah. but i mean, i get what you're saying in the way it could be spawn in his right. but nothing, you know, has not to put you to promise. and he is not get your data and how much, how much is accepting conditions and versions of proposals by the united states in egypt. not exactly the best sense of have us are. right. so i'm most excited as beings that isn't about part to here said we need to cease fire. so much of guys have destroyed so many palestinians have died. we need to drop it off. the americans believe the same thing. so it is not that is there as a cafeteria is i'm us. what we're having here is that a situation where to buy after and i'm driving in genocide after so many work, i'm so much death and destruction is that could not achieve its ultimate strategic objective, which is the strong how much. but it will not in the next 5 years or 10 years,

this guy does with his one law between 19922418 years as i look through 5 chocolate on bomb there and there. and the other thing is they look at the store as well as, as one of the came stronger, say somebody, teenagers, they said they go to the store, how much, how best have become stronger. you need to address the root causes, but what causes a limit on was the occupation of lebanon there with causes and palestine. is that corporation in palestine unit to dissolve us unit, and the siege and occupation number block? it's really simple. it's abc stuff occupying the palestinians. you will deal with the issues of the day, the danger and the security guards on support for the those are to be 10 to moms to something he could communicate as a wind, chosen people in his around surely. but no, he wouldn't. who would not be able to suddenly to his government, but by what the americans are tending? nothing. yeah, this is not the end of it. we support you in your course age,

but whatever it is against how much right then the by the end of instruction is not saying it's, it's finished over this. think there's another way of dealing with the question of how much and this buttons essentially through the kidding of tens of thousands of on a sentence. but it was also the same case from before. i remember how nathan. yeah, wanted to do with him us before october 7 by allowing more and more money to get him us so that he can divide between how much in fact, the info is fine and he can hold comfortably. occupations a stuff hasn't worked. so once again, for the people is right piece needs to be based on great security. realistic here with the base is, is based on, based on, on the, on that point mile on briefly. what is the consequence of a failure of this potential cease? 5? there is no, there is no with the actions are respected, no matter what the version of it comes, even if you get the version that is closer to is read. if there is no waiting on

the part of these writers and the americans to make sure it does get implemented, then no matter how the version is closer to the is really mindset. we would set the good not go anywhere. that's why i think eventually you, we wouldn't need a different design. the government, i think of your previous guessed was correct in saying it's going to be up to these really people. because this, this government is not intend on piece based on mutual respect and negotiations and 2 state solution. if the rejects all of that while many thanks as always, modeling a shower. well, that's it for meaningful. okay. uh, breaking news. decide what, how much does accept to the cx 5 deal? israel says large gaps remain and is studying the proposal more of the top the next time. thanks for watching outages around the

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business latest is free for you. i guess is that an ice fly on one of your makes modern sleep. so, the, [000:00:00;00] the flow on the bulk of this as and use our lives and up in the next 60 minutes, is there a, continues, is a tax on rough uh, after a mazda announced it has accepted a gaza c. so a proposal put for by comstock in egypt, protest is in israel, i've taken to the street since several cities cooling on the government to accept