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9:00. and we start with the latest developments in the local elections today. the conservatives are now on track for their worst set of results in 40 years. the party's lost hundreds of seats across england, with labour, the liberal democrats and independents making gains. reform uk also put in a strong showing in the blackpool south by—election, coming in third place. sir keir starmer claims labour's results are a direct message to the prime minister, as he renewed demands for him to call a general election . well, call a general election. well, the liberal democrats have also made gains, with party leader sir ed davey pledging to make the conservative government history . history. >> people from around our great country have had enough of this out—of—touch conservative government >> they've had enough of being taken for granted and being let down. it's time for. taken for granted and being let down. it's time for . change. and down. it's time for. change. and across this country from

cheltenham to dorset, from west oxfordshire to here in winchester , so many people, winchester, so many people, including lifelong conservatives , are switching to the liberal democrats to make that change happen. >> meanwhile, the prime minister insists that he's focusing on the job at hand after those disappointing local election results for the conservatives. despite losing control for a number of authorities, the conservatives did hold on to the mayoral seat in tees valley, with ben houchen being re—elected. there rishi sunak says that result is evidence that people will stick with the conservatives come the general election . election. >> keir starmer came here twice, rachel reeves came here three times, but even they couldn't dislodge ben and the fantastic conservative team, right. and they also threw a lot of mud. it needs to be said in this election because they were angry, angry that ben has delivered more for this region in seven years than labour party managed in 30 years. >> well, let's take a quick look at those latest council results from across england as counting

continues tonight. if you're watching on tv, you can see here the number of councillors confirmed so far fewer than seven councils left to declare out of a total of 107. some will follow into tomorrow , including follow into tomorrow, including the west midlands. and the result for london's mayor in other news, the family of murdered schoolboy alfie lewis have thanked him for making them smile every day. he was stabbed to death by another schoolboy outside a primary school in leeds last november. that teenager, who can't be named, was 14 at the time of the attack . he admitted stabbing alfie with a 13 centimetre long kitchen knife, the court heard in full view of other pupils. but he has denied murder instead , he claimed he was scared for his life when he pulled out the weapon, but that was disputed by prosecutors . we've heard today prosecutors. we've heard today that a former solicitor has been sentenced to more than seven years in jail for running what the judge described as as a deceptive immigration scheme.

flora mendez, from luton, made up fake addresses in grenfell tower and charged victims £2,800 to submit fraudulent immigration applications. the 45 year old also exploited the windrush scheme, providing services to people without being qualified. the indian national continued providing illegal services despite being struck off in 2015, and the judge in the case called her actions truly disgraceful. sentencing mendez to 90 months behind bars. disgraceful. sentencing mendez to 90 months behind bars . and to 90 months behind bars. and finally, before we head back to patrick, an update on the critical incident in bristol, where a number of hospitals continue to be affected from a power outage, the local nhs trust there says the city's children's emergency department is still open, but we understand other departments aren't accepting any new patients tonight. instead, the trust is asking those who need urgent medical help to call one, one one. those are the headlines . one. those are the headlines. plenty more still to come. i'll be back at 10:00. until then, you can sign up to gb news

alerts. just scan the code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts . common alerts. >> welcome along. now all the news today is about the election results. who are the winners? who are the losers ? well, i'll who are the losers? well, i'll tell you who the biggest losers are. us, the public, the voters. prime minister rishi sunak has got the kind of kicking normally reserved for a drunk man who starts on a nightclub bouncer . i starts on a nightclub bouncer. i think it's fair to say the general impression of mr sunak is uninspiring, untrustworthy, devoid of vision and caught between two warring wings of his party trying to appease both but pleasing neither the tories could lose around 470 to 490 seats. the mayoral candidates in the west midlands and tees valley sent letters around quoting boris johnson , saying quoting boris johnson, saying forget about the government, they won. mr sunak didn't seem to care about getting rid of sadiq khan in london either. i haven't seen him endorse the

tory candidate, susan hall and the reality is mayor khan is very gettable. it's all well and good for mr sunak to say stuff like this. >> obviously it's disappointing to lose good, hard working conservative councillors and i'm grateful to them for all their service in local government . service in local government. >> but what's he really done to move the dial now on to labour. look, this is not 1997. keir starmer has the charisma of wet cardboard and a manifesto to match his u—turned on green policy, on taxation, on brexit, on nationalising the railways, on nationalising the railways, on tuition fees, on whether or not he's friends with jeremy corbyn, on rent control, on what a woman is on gaza, on bankers bonuses and now the noise is that he could even u—turn on rwanda . he has lost the muslim rwanda. he has lost the muslim vote. just look at what happened in oldham . labour suffered a in oldham. labour suffered a shock defeat in oldham, which is in greater manchester last night, losing control of the local council to independent candidate s. it performed most poorly in wards with large muslim populations. it's all very well and good for mr

starmer to stand up today and say this. >> i don't think anybody could read the results here in york and north yorkshire and say that labour hasn't won or the voters are unconvinced. this is a historic victory . historic victory. >> but look at what happened in the blackpool south by—election. labour's chris webb won with 10,825 votes in 2019. labour came second with 12,557 votes. the public do not really want mr starmer. i doubt they're overly keen on hearing the words deputy prime minister angela rayner or foreign secretary david lammy, and i imagine they shudder at the prospect of edward samuel miliband as the secretary of state for energy and net zero reform. well richard tice his party did perform pretty well, didn't they? in blackpool south there were only 100 votes or so behind the tory candidate and a whole host of council seats. the same people who stopped voting tory went out and voted for reform instead . that is

reform instead. that is undeniable, and tice is bullish . undeniable, and tice is bullish. >> succeeded with our best ever by—election result by some margin, significantly ahead of our national polling average. many people in the media have now got egg on their face. they said we couldn't do it. you know, we were a virtual party. well, we've just proven them completely and utterly wrong, but it won't really make a difference at the general election, will it? >> talking of a general election, some people are now predicting that labour could fall 32 seats short of an outright majority . just look at outright majority. just look at some of the turnouts. 30, 29. i then think about all of the massive issues that we are facing now in britain. the nhs, the cost of living taxation, illegal immigration, legal immigration, law and order, and still people are sitting on their hands. people want a general election, but they don't want to vote for anyone . great want to vote for anyone. great britain is full of great brits.

it's just a shame not enough of them are in politics. let's get them are in politics. let's get the thoughts of my panel this evening. i'm very pleased to be joined by ex bbc and itv political chief john sergeant andrew rosindell, as well the tory mp for romford . and i've tory mp for romford. and i've got joana jarjue, the apprentice finalist and entrepreneur , finalist and entrepreneur, andrew, i'll start with you, if that's all right. as the political head in the room, your initial take on rishi sunak's kicking every government does badly in local elections when things aren't going well, that's nothing new. >> the difference this time is that in many ways it's self—inflicted. we were elected in 2019 with an 80 seat majority, and we had a lot of things that we could have gone on and done, and the people are disappointed that we haven't achieved some of the things we said we would do. so they're angry. i'll tell you what, though, patrick, they're not very keen on labour. they're cross with us. but if you think and you said it a minute ago,

this is 1997. it's not so people are protesting. a lot of people are protesting. a lot of people are not voting. a lot of people are not voting. a lot of people are voting for smaller parties, reform party, whatever it might be. in reality, they're crying out for the conservatives to be conservative and to do the things we said we would do if we use the next six months to show that we mean business, we've got a vision for the country , and i a vision for the country, and i think they could come back to us. >> us. >> people are disenfranchised and disillusioned. john, that was my takeaway from the election results that we've seen so far. people don't really like anyone. yeah you can use all those things. >> you can use all the sort of slogans about government to lose elections. you know, oppositions don't win them . there are all don't win them. there are all sorts of little things you can say, but i think the overall point is that after 14 years, a lot of people just don't believe a word the tories are saying. so the big weapon that any leading politician has is the power to explain and encourage and use words and formats and slogans. now, if the result, if the pubuc now, if the result, if the public just don't care or i

don't believe you , it's very don't believe you, it's very difficult then to get off the ground. and what we're seeing in the last, you know, two well, two years almost now is they're in a rut. they're just simply in the government's in a rut. they can't really move out of it. people aren't going to give them the benefit of the doubt. they've gone through all that. they've gone through all that. they've gone through far too many leaders. and of course, they've argued far too much amongst themselves. >> okay, we are seeing, though labour like in blackpool south, for example, their vote is actually going down and them winning. joanna which would indicate to me that people don't really fancy the look of this labour party either. >> well, i would disagree because when you look at yorkshire, where i'm from and i know the area of york and north yorkshire that should have been a very solid conservative seat and for labour to get that, you know, it's one thing kind of saying that labour might be able to kind of regain some of the red wall seats that they lost last time to boris johnson. but it's another thing to actually flip some of these. so i think it kind of goes both ways as well. and what's funny is that when it comes to voter apathy, that it seems as if the most

passionate people in the country at the moment are people who are either protesting about rwanda and you know, stop the boats or it's people about gaza. the general, the normal people just aren't that bothered anymore. >> well, i'm going to come on. you've led me seamlessly onto something, actually, because a little bit later on in the show, we've been doing a bit of digging about some of these professional agitators that are doing the rounds at pretty much every single protest that's taking place. before i go back to my panel, though, here to do a little bit of damage limitation from the government, i believe, is conservative mp for boston and skegness is matt warman. matt, look, thank you. thank you very much for coming introduction for coming on the show, i mean, just sunak have to go. >> no, i don't think so. i mean, look , i'm not here to do damage look, i'm not here to do damage limitation for the government. i'm not part of the government. what i would say is that it's obvious that the results that we've seen tonight are and today are really patchy, it is good news that ben houchen has been returned in the tees valley. it is obviously not great news that we've lost in yorkshire. what the government needs to do is

make its case clearly, and what the party needs to do, i think, is stop talking about itself and start talking about how dire keir starmer is and about how we should be talking, not to ourselves . ourselves. >> but what is that case for you, matt? i mean, where are you on rwanda , for example? do you on rwanda, for example? do you think that'll work? >> i think rwanda is a really important part of a package. i think we absolutely have to have a deterrent to stop people making that journey. but i think we should also be talking about reforming the echr. i think we should be saying that it clearly isn't working for countries like the uk , and it isn't working for the uk, and it isn't working for refugees, making those journeys themselves. but a deterrent isn't the only thing we have to make sure that people know they're not going to, for instance, end up in a hotel if they make the journey to the uk. so there's lots to do. but we should also be talking about the economy. we should be talking about the nhs, we should be talking about the government's fantastic track record in education, for instance.

>> okay. how do you feel about reform? because last night in blackpool south, i think there were only about 106 votes behind the tory candidate there. they have been doing rather well recently . you said that you recently. you said that you maybe the conservatives need to make the case for conservatism in britain. i mean, they are and people are voting for it. it's not rocket science , is it, matt? not rocket science, is it, matt? >> well, i think the conservative party needs to be alive to the fact that there is alive to the fact that there is a reason why reform is attracting a significant share of the vote, and that's why we have to, i think, maintain that broad church that has always been the tory party that is a party that understands why people care so much about immigration, that understands that both illegal and legal migration is something we need to be talking about, but also understands , for instance, that understands, for instance, that the uk should be brave enough to lead reform of the echr rather than to imagine that we can. >> yeah, i do, i do, i do get that. but you know, there's a lot of talk about the tory party being a broad church, but

actually the one nation brigade appears to be the ones who are actually, really, truly in charge of it. certainly when you look at some of the candidates that are being put up in safe seats, that's caused massive amounts of consternation about what the conservative party might look like after the next general election, what you appear to be losing are true blue brexiteers and red walls. they're the ones going and voting for reform. so why don't you do more to try to appeal to them? >> well, i think what we need to do if you want to actually form a government, it has to be to make sure we continue to appeal to people who are currently thinking about reform, but also make sure that we don't lose the other end of the conversation because a successful conservative party cares passionately about the about immigration and the economy and the nhs, and delivers in a way that we consistently have over many, many years. so that's why i think we should be making that case. talking about why keir starmer certainly isn't the solution to it, rather than talking about ourselves .

talking about ourselves. >> just very quickly. and finally, i appreciate you coming on tonight. why didn't rishi sunak do more to back susan hall? because sadiq khan in london is very gettable, isn't he? >> i think sadiq khan certainly is very gettable and i think he is very gettable and i think he is obviously not delivering on what londoners want to see. i think if i'm honest, i think susan hall and number 10 i'm sure will have had grown up conversations about the best way to get sadiq khan out of city hall. and i wasn't part of those conversations, but i'm very glad to see sadiq khan under the pressure. he's under tonight. and let's see what happens tomorrow. >> look, matt, thank you very much for your time. take care and all the best. have a great weekend. matt warman there. who's the tory mp for boston and skegness john, can i just come to you on this one first and just say reading between the lines, i don't want to put words in his mouth, but reading between the lines there you saw the mayors in tees valley and in the mayors in tees valley and in the west midlands as well, not include anything about the conservatives or rishi sunak on their literature in fact, they included something from boris johnson saying forget about the

government. i if i'm interpreting what matt is saying there, maybe susan hall in london decided it might be better to not actually be endorsed by the prime minister. does that not tell you everything you need to know about the popularity of the guy in number 10? yeah, but you're still stuck with, you know, who's the alternative? >> and could you change in the in the time available. and the answer is no. no. so the whole business really of let's concentrate on the leadership is a big, big mistake. what you've got to try and do is to give the impression you're a competent government. so take rwanda. what are we stuck with a coach with its tyres let down, people sitting in the road. and this is meant to be a carefully worked out plan which is going to come, you know, come into action slowly over ten weeks. so then the first flight takes off. well, so far so bad . well, so far so bad. >> we're very quickly you think sunak should stay? >> look , at the end of the day, >> look, at the end of the day, rishi sunak is our leader and our prime minister, and he is the person that's going to lead us into the next election. okay.

but we've got a lot to do to change things to win that election. susan hall, i think, could well spring a surprise tomorrow . tomorrow. >> but why didn't he, you know, was that deliberate? >> i can assure you he did. he was out campaigning for her and he did endorse her. but at the end of the day, we have a very unpopular mayor of london in sadiq khan. and i think you'll find tomorrow a lot more people are voting against sadiq than than he thinks is going to happen. >> just a few words, john. you nailed on labour government. now do you think? >> yeah, absolutely. and i think we shouldn't even be having the conversation about leadership in the conservative party if he was actually going to do the right thing, he should just call a general election tomorrow. >> okay? wolf there we go. all right. we're off to a flying start. coming up, the veteran who couldn't vote because his army id saw him turned away from a voting booth. and we're also going to be joined by tobias ellwood mp and baroness catherine mayer. they're going head to head just following on a bit from that discussion. what can sunak do to turn it around? why is he so unpopular? but next this is a good one. the tories

bucked the national trend by taking control of harlow council last night. i'm going to speak to the quite young mastermind of that astonishing victory, so stay tuned for that.

welcome back to patrick christys. tonight now, it was not all doom and gloom for rishi sunak and the conservatives overnight in the local elections, the tories have

managed to cling on to harlow council with a victory led by local conservative leader dan swords. despite suggestions that labour would win by a landslide . labour would win by a landslide. so a win which was hailed by local mp robert halfon as the biggest comeback since lazarus and was celebrated as a bucking of the national trend by the man himself. some would say doing his best boris johnson impression. let's have a little look at this dean sills. >> firstly, congratulations. thank you . thank you. >> you look like a long. i've interviewed a number of times over the last month, but you feel it's all worth it today. this morning? absolutely. >> you know, above all else what we have been passionate about and what has happened is we have been given the green light to get on and transform harlow for the people of harlow. and i sincerely want to thank every resident who voted, no matter which way they voted. we will deliver for you because that is what we've been elected . what we've been elected. >> yeah. strong stuff. good to see a young lad out there on the stump giving it his all. and some reports are emerging. it might not all be that great news

though, because apparently victory was only insured thanks to a candidate under investigation over alleged islamophobic comments being unsuspended to give the conservatives a slim majority. but let's speak to the man himself . the but let's speak to the man himself. the leader of but let's speak to the man himself . the leader of the himself. the leader of the conservative party in hall and harlow is dan swords. dan, thank you very much. great to have you on the show. you were in many ways last night's big viral moment, i think. really. so congratulations relations first of all. and i've got to ask, i hope you don't mind me starting with this. how old are you, 23. >> good lad. and you are? you are now the leader of a council . are now the leader of a council. >> yeah. so i became the leader of harlow council last may. i was 22 when i became leader, which made me the youngest council leader ever in the uk. >> fantastic. so? well well done again. and it is really great to see people with a bit of personality going into politics as well. how did you manage to buck the trend? essentially what i'm asking dan, is how come a 24 year old is so much better than everyone else ? everyone else? >> well, i think to, to be blunt, is that we focused on what people cared about in

harlow. you know , it's, no harlow. you know, it's, no secret that this is a really difficult time for the conservative party up and down the country, as you've been reporting on. but in harlow, we you know, we had the best part of 40 years of a labour council that allowed our town to decline. and over the last 2 or 3 years since we've taken control, we've frozen harlow council tax. we're rebuilding the whole town centre , building the whole town centre, building new council homes, ensuring harlow homes for harlow people. we had a very clear plan that we're delivering on. we've been shortlisted for the most improved council in england. and that's the message we took to people. i mean, labour through. absolutely everything at this keir starmer was here twice. angela rayner and starmer were here doing a rally on wednesday. they were sending busloads of people from all over london and the east of england, and still we managed to cling on because, as i said, we focused on what people cared about and seriously, what are the major things for you that you think people care about? >> because if i was rishi sunak

now and i was looking at these results and i was looking at the opinion polls, i mean, yougov had him on nationally about 18. i think it was yesterday, which is, you know, poor, right . he is, you know, poor, right. he could do with listening to people like you. i think a little bit, dan, i mean, what what are the big issues. how does rishi sunak resurrect his fortunes? >> well, you know , it's an >> well, you know, it's an enormously challenging time with all the, you know, factors we know about . but i all the, you know, factors we know about. but i think what some of the results have shown the likes of ben houchen and here in harlow is that , you here in harlow is that, you know, if we give people something to vote for, they are not scared to come out and vote for us, but we must do that. and sadly, we're not, you know, necessary getting that across at the moment. so we've got a massive task in that regard. but we do have to crack on with the things people care most about, whether it's, you know, the national issues, immigration, the nhs, cost of living, things that really people really feel, make a difference as we have in harlow , and people have rewarded harlow, and people have rewarded us for that.

>> look, you bucked the trend last night with the result and fair play to you. i would possibly suggest as well that you've maybe bucked the trend kind of in your own life, given your age and your political persuasion and the success that you've had, what would you say to young people now who want to go into politics? i think a lot of people, and let's be honest, a lot of gb news viewers and listeners as well, i think, see mostly that young people who go into politics perhaps lean to the left . i mean, have you have the left. i mean, have you have you copped a bit of stick for it? how has it gone for you? what made you get into it? >> well, to be honest, age is not something i really think about. i mean, my political opponents often bring up, the point of age. but, you know, i've never knocked on a door. and they say to me, what we're desperate for is a 50 year old council leader. what people want, as i've said, is people that do things that deliver, and politics is a game where people judge you on your actions as, as i said, i, you know, i became the leader of the council, a year ago. a year later, we've, you know, had an all up election

and retain control because we've delivered on the things that people care about. so age isn't a factor that i've ever considered , to be honest. i just considered, to be honest. i just get on with the job day in and day out and do the things that people care about. but i would encourage any young person to go into it. you know, politics is about improving the place you live in and changing, changing things and making the world a bit more just than maybe it was the day before. so i would absolutely encourage anyone to do it. you just need, some thick skin. >> yeah, i can imagine. i mean, robert halfon's been out, you know, very, very, very praiseworthy of you and all of the efforts there as well. he was tweeting about it , the efforts there as well. he was tweeting about it, a the efforts there as well. he was tweeting about it , a little was tweeting about it, a little bit earlier on. he had this to say, i think is the biggest comeback since lazarus, labour predicted landslide in harlow with two visits from starmer. but harlow, compassionate conservatives retained control of harlow council by relentlessly focusing on freezing council tax, regeneration and housing. he says he's obviously very proud of you as well. i do have to

ask. look, with respect, is it the biggest comeback since lazarus? i was trying to have a little look into this with my team earlier on, and there was an issue of a suspension and then that person has maybe been unsuspended and you've won by one seat. is it gone? just clear that up for us. >> yeah. again, it's complete rubbish, we have a candidate at the moment who was elected as a conservative, you know, the town has elected a majority of conservatives. sadly, one of the candidates at the moment is suspended under investigation. that has not changed. they were not unsuspend ed, we didn't you know, none of those things changed last night. it was simply the line that the labour party were spinning because they could not believe the fact that despite everything they had thrown at harlow, they were telling me at 10:00 as we arrived at the count, it's all oven arrived at the count, it's all over. you may as well go home now. you've been wiped out, and yet five hours later, they discovered that, quite the opposite was true, so it's simply a line that they're spinning. >> okay, now, look, just, give a

little message to people. i did a monologue earlier on about voter apathy , people who are voter apathy, people who are a bit disillusioned, a bit disenchanted. i think it's going to be quite a big issue at the general election, which is maybe people who are traditional conservative voters not turning up, maybe, or dare i say it, voting for reform. i can see i can see a situation where keir starmer ends up, you know, winning a general election , but winning a general election, but actually, you know, is pretty unpopular from day one. what would you say to galvanise the conservative voters ? because at conservative voters? because at the moment, from what's going on in downing street, i don't think there's a huge amount of vision to vote for that . to vote for that. >> well, i think it's a it's a two way deal. as you said, it's not just a case of persuading people to vote. we have to give them a reason to. and, you know, sadly, i don't think we're quite hitting that nail on the head at the moment. as you say, people want to, you know, people want to vote for a better future for them and their family. they want to vote for a better future for

their country, town, village, whatever it is, and that's what we've got to spell out over the next few months to people. if you vote for us, this is how, times are going to change. i mean, my, my favourite political ad of all time, is the margaret thatcher one. don't just hope for a better future. vote for one, and that's what we've got to get across to people. we really have to take the message to them, you know, apathy absolutely is the enemy. you know, in local elections , it know, in local elections, it usually is with, with lower turnout. we've actually seen higher turnout in harlow this year because it was an election that would decide the future of the town. do you want the town centre rebuilt or not? you know, these are tangible things that that matter to people, and obviously they scale up to a national level too. >> well, look, i will have a very long time to find out whether or not i owe you a tenner or you give me a tenner, but i would be willing to put a £10 bet on it right now that within the next ten years you are somewhere very, very near that cabinet table. >> so good luck to you and well done. and you know, all the best for you on the people of harlow.

you take care. all right. that's dan swords there, sir. 23 years old, i think he said he was his the leader of a council. he was previously to that the youngest leader of a council. bucked the trend last night, beat labour when people wrote him off. so well played coming up. did you vote yesterday? i hope you did. will be speaking to the army veteran though, who was turned away from the polling booth because his force, his id, wasn't enough. coming up, though, rishi sunak could be forgiven for not knowing which way to turn after these local elections. but i will be debating if he should lurch to the left or lurch to the right. i want your views on this. should sunak go more to the right or more to the left if he wants to win? tobias

next. so if there's one thing made clear from last night's election results, it's that whatever rishi sunak is doing right now isn't really working . few will isn't really working. few will argue that the prime minister is argue that the prime minister is a bad mp or a bad bloke, really. but can he unite the left and the right of his party? how does he do that? or really in order to get mass appeal, let's be honest, does he need to veer to the right or become more of a centrist? well, i'm joined now by the conservative mp for bournemouth east. it's tobias ellwood and conservative life peerin ellwood and conservative life peer in the house of lords, baroness catherine mayer, both of you. thank you very much. much appreciated. catherine, i'll start with you in your

mind, should sunak go more to the left or the right? do you think for me it doesn't? >> even the question doesn't even pose as itself. obviously he needs to go to the right because keir starmer, as tried to move to the right, except that we don't know if he really believes that. and in the meantime, we've seen what reform has been able to do, and they've been capturing a lot of our votes. and i think personally, i think that the conservative party and a lot of the people who used to vote conservative are feeling that the conservative party does not represent them anymore , and they represent them anymore, and they want a strong leader who is going to take bold positions on very important issues. and i think that is to the right. >> okay, tobias, it's quite a strong case for sunak sunak lurching to the right there. >> no, i don't agree with that at all. i mean, let's put our hands up. it's been a difficult,

local elections for the conservatives, but we've had a 20% turnout in some areas, which has been very , very low indeed. has been very, very low indeed. a general election, you have turnout closer to 70. so we've got a lot of people staying at home. where would those additional voters go? and i think the point that actually has been made quite illustratively that britain , illustratively that britain, there is a sweet spot of the electorate in the middle of the ground. if you secure that, you win general elections . and i win general elections. and i think just stepping back from the actual politics of it , we've the actual politics of it, we've had a turbulent period, no doubt about that. but we've actually now moved into far calmer waters. fiscal responsibility has returned. we've seen interest rates. you know, improve. we've seen also the cost of living crisis being tackled and inflation coming down. we're moving the right way. the reason why we're not galvanising is because an absence of discipline within our own rank and if we show a collective appetite and discipline to win, we'll win the

next election. if we have, i'm afraid , ill discipline. afraid, ill discipline. >> i'll come back to you. >> i'll come back to you. >> i'll come back to you. >> i want to get catherine back in. all right, so go on, catherine, you're shaking your head there. >> yeah, because i actually don't agree. i think the fact that so few people actually came and voted means that they're totally disillusioned. and all the things that you said that we have succeeded in that should have succeeded in that should have actually brought out our supporters to go and vote for us. i see it exactly the opposite way. i see it, that the world has changed. it's much more polarised . and what the more polarised. and what the british public wants is a government that actually takes action, takes a strong position . action, takes a strong position. we have wars around us. we want somebody like winston churchill. we want somebody who actually dares to say the way it is, and we can't continue on this wishy washy, even though i think rishi has had a lot of successes on the economy , on a lot of the the economy, on a lot of the things that you've highlighted,

but the people are feeling they don't belong to this party anymore. >> and that's why tobias, i mean , there is quite a lot of evidence to back that up with the way that the reform vote is going. i know that the turnouts have been low, but the national polls i mean, the latest one i saw from yougov had reform at 15 and the tories at 18. and could i ask when you said about ill disciplining your party, do you really mean that the right of the party in your view, need to win their neck in a bit? >> i'm not going to use that language. i don't think that's even helpful. i'm simply saying that united parties appeal to the electorate. this united parties do not. and i'll just stress again , whatever's going stress again, whatever's going on in america over here, the sweet spot for winning for a long electoral success has always been dominated the centre right ground. tony blair discovered this . he looked like discovered this. he looked like a tory and he kept people like john prescott close to him. so but he got across the line. when you go to the extremes like jeremy corbyn did, then you miss out the middle ground and mentioning churchill of all people, disraeli , baldwin,

people, disraeli, baldwin, macmillan, thatcher too, all went for the middle ground. when you pander to your base alone, like , andrew bonar law, for like, andrew bonar law, for example, you quickly are forgotten and make it really clear that rishi sunak is navigating us back to that important space. and the reason why labour just let me finish this point. yeah. the reason why labouris this point. yeah. the reason why labour is doing well in the polls is because they're commanding that middle ground. the floating voter. we're not going to win simply by losing to the right wing or indeed trying to out reform, reform . that's to out reform, reform. that's not the strategic way to win the next general election . next general election. discipline, discipline, discipline, that's what we require from our ranks. and we will see the polls move. >> okay . but you see the discipline. >> one side. i see the discipline the other side. and the point is that the labour party is moving to the centre, or at least pretending to move to the centre , because i don't to the centre, because i don't believe that what they are in the polls. >> right. >> right. >> okay. we need to look to be different and we need to represent what the conservative, the true conservatives believe

believe in our country. i think that a prime minister, which rishi did say it several times, but i think it needs to be said many times to be proud of our country, to be proud of being british, not constantly apologising, is what the british people. >> can i ask you, catherine, just just quickly on this then what? what specifically is it, then what policy specifically are you talking about that you think will win? rishi the next election then? >> well, i think one of the ones that i was very involved in was all this transgender ideology. i mean, that was, in my opinion , mean, that was, in my opinion, and i and several mps and peers went to talk to rishi about it. i think that was a winner for us because what is happening is incredible. i mean, children are being told that they can change their gender. i mean, it's insanity. it's a it's criminal. so those are type of examples. and then the other thing is what i really resent. and i, as you

can hear, have a foreign accent but a british passport i became british because i loved this country. and i find it terrible that these days we can't be proud of being british. and if i put an english flag behind me, i would be called extreme right wing. i'm not. i'm proud of belonging to this country. we need to get this right. >> okay. tobias, could i just ask you. and we have to be a little bit quick with this, but is sunak trapped in the worst of both worlds situation here. now, where, dare i say, it has lost a lot of the centre ground and he's lost the right ground as well. really? is that is that where he is? >> i, i really push back on everything i've just heard there. you know, we, we have a passionate conservative party that's navigated us, the country through a very, very difficult time . this would have been time. this would have been a testing period for any government the last ten years, because of covid, because of, of, ukraine. and now the middle east as well. and yes, there's been some turbulence that we've

home grown as well because of what happened with boris johnson and indeed, liz truss. but look where we are today. we have really are in calmer waters from a fiscal perspective, which is what really concerns the british voter. you know, all these other discussions are really quite micro into whether or not our economy is okay. >> the macro view, you've just lost 433 council seats . lost 433 council seats. >> please, please let me finish. thatis >> please, please let me finish. that is what actually people go into the voting booth and say will britain be better off? will we be more secure? under which government? and that is where rishi sunak is taking us. if we fall badly at the next election, it will be because of the problems within, because we're not demonstrating discipline, rallying around our leader and showing a determination and spirit to say we want to remain in number 10 because we're arguing amongst ourselves. okay look, both of you, i'm sorry. >> we could obviously just carry on with this for another hour or so, but we'll have to pick it up. i to happen anyway, isn't it? >> yeah. go >> yeah. go >> i congratulate then i could

be his grandmother. >> i congratulate then i could be his grandmother . and i think be his grandmother. and i think it's wonderful that a young man is sort of getting in there and fighting for the conservatives i just wanted to say that. >> all right. >> all right. >> i'm sure tobias will echo that view as well. both of you. thank you very much. right. okay. that was conservative mp for bournemouth east tobias ellwood, conservative life peer in the house of lords, baroness catherine mayer. i think they're in potentially does lie an issue with the tory party doesn't it. right. look up next okay. i'm going to be unmasking some of these protesters that are doing these protesters that are doing the rounds at the moment and talking to a veteran who couldn't vote yesterday because his old boss forgot to allow veterans

coming up. they turn up to everything from gaza rallies to just stop oil protests. i'll tell you why. i think it's time that these professional agitators are unmasked for all of us to see. but next, an army veteran. johnny mercer's former boss. by the way , who was turned

boss. by the way, who was turned away from the polling station because his army id wasn't enough. i believe i'm joined now by adam diver. adam, thank you very, very much forjoining us very, very much for joining us here on gb news. and firstly, thank you very much for everything that you've done for this fantastic country, but can i just ask what happened then? so you had a little bit of a mishap, did you, at the at the old polling booth yesterday? >> yes. i went, i went to take my daughter to school. and on the way, back to work, i'd, go and vote. and i took my veterans id. i think you've you've all seen that, i thought it was, i don't know, i thought it would be fine to use it as id, because, i don't know. i didn't think otherwise. i just took it as read, and i went there. there was some lovely ladies there just doing the job. they were. they were fantastic. i won't say they were embarrassed to turn me away, but you could tell they were. they were uncomfortable and basically said, you know, he's not allowed. he's not a formal identification. so you can't vote. and then i got turned away .

turned away. >> i mean, because on that, apparently there are 22 forms of acceptable id now. so bus passes, oyster cards. i mean , passes, oyster cards. i mean, yeah, there you go. you would imagine, i would imagine, i think most people would imagine that a former army officer turning up , that a former army officer turning up, you that a former army officer turning up , you know, that a former army officer turning up, you know, a decorated sergeant major with a veterans id card would mean that you were able to put your cross in whatever box you you so wished. is something that maybe should have been sorted out, not think as a veterans as well. i mean, especially from a tory perspective, like was johnny mercer and will be thinking, i mean, i don't i don't want to use broad brush terms here, but i'd imagine quite a few veterans maybe lean more to the right than the left. you know. >> yeah, i would say so. but yeah, it shouldn't have. maybe they should have had a look at it beforehand and then released it beforehand and then released it with, with obviously the power it should have. and to vote because you know, i mean, it obviously it impacted me on that day. and i just thought that, okay, this isn't great. and i did reflect on it. and i just thought, well, this is not this is pretty rubbish. but it could have happened to another

veteran who doesn't watch the tv, who's not got no social media, he hasn't got any other id because this is what he's got. and he goes and votes and then he gets turned down. this could have a massive effect on his mental health, especially if he's maybe got or she got ptsd. they've got depression, anxiety, whatever it may be. and this could really impact them 27 years of service, i believe, for this country to be turned away at a polling station, how did that make you feel at the time then? it well, it made me feel well it it well obviously frustrated. and then it was just like well a little bit deflated really. it just made me feel like, well what's the point sort of thing. and yeah. and well, i'm sort of like glad it happened to me. and nobody else really, who was, i look after, veterans all the time. i'm a therapist now, and i see, veterans on a weekly basis with poor mental health, recovering from ptsd, anxiety, depression, etc. and, it made me reflect if

it was one of them, going to the going to the booth and getting turned away. this this could have been a massive, massive trigger. so i'm quite glad it's out there now. and i'm, i'm hoping i think i, i won't say i was johnny mercer's boss. i was a sergeant major, so i told him off quite a few times, maybe in afghan. but he was, you know what i mean? he's a very good, competent officer. he was he was great in afghan. he's a he was a good lad. he was, you know, i mean, loved by his peers and the fellow troops as well. so he is he is a good, good bloke. so i think it's just a case of is it red tape, you know, i mean, are his hands tied? i don't know, but i think obviously he knows about it. i tweeted him and he tweeted me back and all. he didn't need to apologise and all the rest of it, and, and, and i think he's just going to have to move on and try and get it sorted before the next, before the next vote. really? >> yeah. i mean, he said, i am, i am very sorry about this. and as you can imagine and, you know, to be honest, whenever i hear anything about johnny mercer, it's usually very good.

and i know that he cares. so i think, yeah, you know, possibly giving the benefit of the doubt on this one, as unfortunate as it is, i mean, another way of looking at it is the tories have had 14 years or whatever to get this sorted, and it is an it is an oversight. it can i just ask you so labour are doing the rounds at the moment really championing the fact they've won our older shot. they're saying we've got we've got the home of the british army, you know. yeah, do you think labour are winning the battle for the hearts and minds of the british military at the moment? i know when corbyn was in power. well, not in power when he was leader of the labour party, it was definitely not the case. as things change, do you think who could be aldershot's massive garrison town like catterick or tidworth and the other garrisons around the uk, when i was in the military we didn't really vote to be honest, it's not a case of, we didn't get told not to vote. we were either too busy, we're on tour and because we serve all colours of government, whoever is in, he could be the conservatives or the labour. i've worked under all calls of government and we just take our orders and we just move on. it's it comes to it comes apparent

when you leave the forces. that's when we start voting really. we start having, you know what i mean? getting our, tv ads on, if you will, and start maybe, i don't know, thinking for ourselves. and then we start putting pen to, you know, putting our crosses on the, on the, on the ballot papen the, on the, on the ballot paper. so what you're saying, aldershot turning red, it is a bit of a surprise, really, but it's, i don't know . it's one of it's, i don't know. it's one of them. >> it makes me see. look, i'm adam, i don't think we've spoken on this show before, but i would love to have you back on again because there's a whole host of issues that i'd really like your view on. you know, we're certainly big when it comes to the veterans community on this channel and on this show, and i'd also like to have the opportunity to talk about some of the other stuff you've done as well. that you swam to the isle of man, quite recently. there you go. i mean, look at that. so, so, yeah, we'll have to get you back on. adam, thank you very much for giving us your time this evening. it's adam diver there. as a former army officer and hopefully you can go and vote next time. it should be able to go and vote that guy. now, look. next. why? i think it's now, look. next. why? i think wsfime now, look. next. why? i think it's time that the public should get to see these professional

protesters unmasked. this is a group of agitators that are out and about at every single protest. it's the same group of people. they wear the face coverings. they think people won't find out who they are. they wreak havoc around the streets. they commit criminal damage. well, i've had enough of it, and i think that you should have as well. so we're going to unmask them. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news, a mixed may day bank holiday weekend. some places having warm sunshine, but there will be a fair few showers around as well. had a real mixed picture today. cracking day in western scotland . dull and damp over the central areas. the rain here slowly edging northwards. clearer skies in the south could allow it to turn quite chilly actually. may not be far off freezing in some rural parts of the south, whereas the cloud and the rain over northern england , southern over northern england, southern scotland, northern ireland will keep the temperatures up in double digits here. it does make for a pretty dismal start to the long weekend. a lot of cloud and

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city i'll be conquering. >> all of them. all of them . you >> all of them. all of them. you used to think i'm just a cloud. but there so happen again. >> on my panel tonight is x, bbc anditv >> on my panel tonight is x, bbc and itv political chief john sergeant. i've also got tory mp andrew rosindell and apprentice finalist and entrepreneurjoana finalist and entrepreneur joana jaflue finalist and entrepreneur joana jarjue oh yes. and talking of things that you don't want to for vote speed dating back to the beginning garretty britain, here we go. they should take their masks off and get a job . next. and get a job. next. >> very good evening to you from the newsroom. a recap of the headunes. the newsroom. a recap of the headlines . at 10:00. the prime headlines. at 10:00. the prime minister insists he's focusing on the job at hand. after the

conservatives disappointing local election results today. it was their worst performance in decades , conceding hundreds of decades, conceding hundreds of seats to opposition parties. so far, labour has made the most gains and sir keir starmer says it shows the conservatives time is up. but rishi sunak says he's focusing on a win in teesside, where ben houchen managed to retain his seat here. >> starmer came here twice, rachel reeves came here three times, but even they couldn't dislodge ben and the fantastic conservative team, right. and they also threw a lot of mud. it needs to be said in this election because they were angry, angry that ben has delivered more for this region in seven years than labour party managed in 30 years. >> the liberal democrats have also made some gains today, with party leader sir ed davey pledging to make the conservative government history. people from around our great country have had enough of this out of touch conservative government >> they've had enough of being taken for granted and being let

down. it's time for change and. >> and across this country , from >> and across this country, from cheltenham to dorset, from west oxfordshire to here in winchester, so many people , winchester, so many people, including lifelong conservatives, are switching to the liberal democrats to make that change happen . that change happen. >> sir ed davey, well, let's get a quick recap of the latest council results from across england as counting continues tonight . if england as counting continues tonight. if you're watching on tv, you can see here the number of councillors confirmed. so far, just six councils out of a total 107 are still to declare those remaining councils will follow into tomorrow, including results from the west midlands and the london mayoral race. in other news, a 15 year old boy who stabbed another schoolboy on his way home in leeds has today been found guilty of murder. alfie lewis was killed leaving primary school last november and the teenage attacker, who can't

be named, was 14 at the time of that stabbing. he admitted attacking alfie with a kitchen knife, claiming he was scared for his life , but that was for his life, but that was disputed by prosecutors . lord disputed by prosecutors. lord david cameron has warned that the world is , he says, facing a the world is, he says, facing a tipping point and that the outcome of the war in ukraine is crucial for western security. dufing crucial for western security. during a visit to ukraine, the foreign secretary said the uk will appoint a new envoy to oversee a plan to ramp up the production of weapons . oversee a plan to ramp up the production of weapons. he oversee a plan to ramp up the production of weapons . he says production of weapons. he says kyiv must defeat russia or else europe faces a very dangerous future. the kremlin, though, has accused lord cameron of a direct escalation when he said that ukraine could use british weapons to hit targets inside russia . and finally, unions russia. and finally, unions representing workers at tata steel in south wales say talks over plans to shut down blast furnaces there have broken down. community. the gmb and unite say there's disregard for the impact there's disregard for the impact the proposed changes will have on staff and local communities.

it comes as the steel giant wants to switch to a greener way of working that could result in the loss of 2800 jobs. that's the loss of 2800 jobs. that's the latest from the newsroom. for more, you can sign up to gb news alerts, scan the qr code there on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now though, it's back to . patrick. though, it's back to. patrick. >> this country is under attack from a load of great unwashed yobbos yesterday, a load of militant activists blocked a bus taking illegal immigrants from a taxpayer funded hotel to the bibby stockholm. they included this guy news. >> oh, gb news off. gb news off. gb news off. gb news. >> so i've had a little look into it and i thought i recognised him from somewhere. he's been at more than a few events recently. we can see him waving a trans flag at another rally , and there's pictures as rally, and there's pictures as well with jewish socialist workers that have emerged. he

also helped the bloke who assaulted my cameraman yesterday get away. >> now this individual, this individual is just assaulted a gb news cameraman and is going to be arrested by police as it currently stands. >> as you can see. oh, the police appear to have just let him walk off. well, i'd just like to say a big hello to a chap called john. now, we won't use your full name here because i wouldn't want to instigate a pile on or do anything that might make you feel intimidated, but it turns out that this guy is actually a hr manager at a publishing company. we do know quite a bit about you, john. actually, i wonder whether or not your revolutionary comrades have any idea that you apparently helped with the rollout of test and trace during the covid pandemic. arguably one of the largest personal data gathering operations by a government in modern british history . amazing, isn't it? you history. amazing, isn't it? you surround yourself with all those people so desperate to hide their identity. maybe you helped get them all onto a government system. i doubt they know that.

it also appears that john was quite a big deal when it came to the nhs. national covid 19 autumn booster vaccine campaign . autumn booster vaccine campaign. you smashed the system, john. smash it to pieces , comrade. but smash it to pieces, comrade. but hey, if your career in hr falls through and radical activism stops paying its way , you could stops paying its way, you could always go back to pulling pints in the slug and lettuce like the good old days. john. talking of comrades, labour mp bell ribeiro—addy reportedly told comrades to join yesterday's protest in peckham. now that's little insight, i think, into how wedded the labour party is to this lot. we all remember, though, don't we? that picture of keir starmer and angela rayner taking the knee at the black lives matter about the black lives matter about the black lives matter thing. okay, okay. it will come as no surprise to learn, though, that black lives matter uk were also in attendance yesterday. there are new groups called anti trade groups. these are student organisations and they do pubush organisations and they do publish a variety of different posters which appear to show

things like immigration enforcement van on fire. it gives people tips on to how get a lawyer and tells them to run away if they're not already being detained, and they also coordinate on social media to try to get a few students on the go if they see a raid taking place. now, i'm going to be doing quite a lot more on this. i think it's time that the pubuc i think it's time that the public knew the truth about some of the people who are blocking government policy, committing criminal damage and behaving like lawless lunatics on the streets. well, there we go . streets. well, there we go. those are my views, of course. i mean, the fact is that face coverings like this, which i believe we can show here, there we go. that's the man who, came after my cameraman. they don't offer half as much protection as some people might think. they do. it's absolutely pathetic that a group of unwashed student activists backed up by labour politicians, can keep getting away with lawlessness. all right. okay, look, i'm going to go over and get the views of my panel this evening. i am joined, as ever, by the wonderful ex bbc

anditv as ever, by the wonderful ex bbc and itv political chief, john sergeant. i also have the tory mp for romford, andrew rosindell, and the businesswoman as well. joana jarjue, yeah . as well. joana jarjue, yeah. look, andrew, i'll start with you again on this. do you not think that we have a right to know a little bit more about some of these people? are absolutely and well done for exposing this guy, john. >> i'm afraid there's a lot of professional agitators out there. >> yeah, god knows who's paying them. >> goodness knows what's motivating them . but they're motivating them. but they're abusing the freedom that this country gives them. i'm all in favour of protest if you've got a legitimate cause, but you do so with responsibility. >> you don't abuse other people . >> you don't abuse other people. >> you don't abuse other people. >> you don't violate the freedoms that you're given and tackle your cameraman and the actions these guys take. thank god you're exposing him. but unfortunately, there's a lot of these.i unfortunately, there's a lot of these. i would say far left activists who are effectively acting like anarchists , who are acting like anarchists, who are trying to drag our country down. and frankly, the police should do more to deal with them. >> okay. all right. and john,

i'll ask you on this if we know who these people are and they're all coming from these certain groups and it's the same people, which is again , i'm going to be which is again, i'm going to be doing a lot of looking into this. and from what i can gather. so far, there is a lot of the same people quite a small number of people going to all of the same things. and shouldn't we just left him? >> no, i mean, i think the point you've got to get really clear at the beginning is this is that if you have a peaceful protest, then you can do it and you can go to lots and lots of different peaceful protests. that's perfectly all right. what you can't do is have violent protests, intimidation , all protests, intimidation, all sorts of unpleasantness which break goodness knows how many laws. so what the police have to do is not so much say, oh, they're so and so and so and so and so. they need to know who these people are so that if they do break the law, they can immediately get them. and that's absolutely true. but what you mustn't do is somehow make up a sort of more than five. you're in trouble because you don't .

in trouble because you don't. you've got plenty of law to deal with. just concentrate on making sure that what you do is effective and is proper policing i >> absolutely. and joanna, your views on this presumably you're bangin views on this presumably you're bang in favour of those people who, you know, slash the tires on a bus there and were, causing massive law and disorder? >> well, i wouldn't say that. i'm in favour of them. i'm in favour of the cause. some of the causes that they're actually protesting for, the means that they're using to protest . they're using to protest. protest? obviously, i wouldn't be in favour of. i was saying last time , you know, when people last time, you know, when people were burning stuff in ireland in protest of some of the migrant hotels. i don't respect anybody that goes that far. hotels. i don't respect anybody that goes that far . and but at that goes that far. and but at the same time, these people do have a legitimate cause. and i found it quite interesting how you were saying, i've got no idea what the protesting for, but i'd respect them if they actually had a legitimate cause. so one thing, what is it? >> that's the problem again, you look at that individual, they're like john, for example, who many people might regard has, not really having a proper job. really having a properjob. right. | really having a properjob. right. i would say not really

actually paying into the system that much, not doing it. and now rendering himself unable to do so really going forward because quite possibly because of a criminal record, does somebody like that lose the right to tell us how to live our lives? >> well, the fact is, and we all know this, they jump from calls to calls one week. >> it's that calls, the next week it's another calls the reality is that every calls they go for is designed attacking our system, attacking the british laws. the british way of life. >> get them on a point of law. don't get them on a sort of i hate them, i don't like them . hate them, i don't like them. just make sure that you're right. absolutely. we'll get this person. look at the way he was behaving and we'll charge him. look at the way the other protester you see on there. >> hang on a minute. >> hang on a minute. >> look at the way the other protesters behave. i think it's really interesting how we're like, oh my goodness, look at how these animals and these thugs when it's somebody who disagrees with you. i've just, you know, said i don't agree with the way that the means of their protest and i'll equally criticise people who are in the

far right who also kick off and go to the cenotaph and stuff. so why is it that it's okay? and you seem to people, you know, i don't want to make any assumptions, but i think people who are on the other side of politics and the right side of politics and the right side of politics never seem to criticise. so would you say that the way that they've behaved is, is just as you know, you would condemn that just as much as people who were kicking off at the cenotaph or on saint george's day. >> freedom with responsibility, freedom to protest within the law. the problem is , the vast law. the problem is, the vast majority of the protest we're seeing today are left wing agitators. i do believe that they are anti everything our country stands for, and they look for causes. they jump from one cause to another. >> i know everything you most law abiding people are fed up with. >> so that chap john there is at basically everything and there's a load more stuff about about this guy and a lot of other people like collect the evidence, give it to the police. but the evidence must be there. this is the thing. if it's dead easy and it really is easy for someone like me and team of people here, to, to find that

out, like in an afternoon , out, like in an afternoon, right? i mean, you know, a couple of hours. really. nothing. yeah then the police and he's all of these things. can't the police get hold of those people who are serial agitators? >> they can. no, they should. i mean, there's no i from, you know, sitting here. of course they should. i have no doubt about that at all. if they're breaking the law, don't always do it. no. all right. but that is an argument for telling the police. not it's all going on, you know, you better stop the whole thing. those are swine over there. it's not so much that it over there. it's not so much thatitis over there. it's not so much that it is right. your job is to that it is right. yourjob is to make sure that these people don't intimidate. they don't use violence. they're breaking the law. take. go after them. >> charge them to joanna. that if that guy, the same guy, had been draped in the flag of saint george, he would have been nicked a long time ago. >> i would disagree, i think that sometimes you have police that sometimes you have police that do what they need to do and go far enough when it comes to people who are on the far right, and that kick off. and i think that sometimes they do. i think it just depends on the situation. it depends on the location, depends on the police officer and how they judge the

situation. i think it goes up and down and but i think that, you know, it can be quite unfair to people on that side. >> i think also on this peckham hotel business, one wonders quite how did they know that the coach was going to be there? how did they know that these people were going to go to dorset to be on the barge? now that gives the impression to me that the security has been broken. so the police know perfectly well in situations like this, make sure you keep your plans secret. make sure you use plenty of unmarked vehicles. you do this, you do that. you have different feigns pretend to do this, but in fact do one last. that's what they do. that's their job. they do do. that's theirjob. they do all the time. >> i also think that if this guy is, you know, causing a riot at every single protest that he goes to, then that's a problem. but i don't think that people should be judged for, you know, protesting for movement after movement because the central theme really is that they're protesting for social justice, not that they're just jumping on any other bandwagon . any other bandwagon. >> one of the things i will say, andrew, which and again, as we reveal more and more about some of these people behind it, i

think it's going to become more and more laughable that you end up, which we do have, which is a situation that a bloke that works in hr for a, some would say, socialist publishing company who has previously, you know, had a glorified job in a call centre and all of this stuff and, you know, works in a slug and lettuce and, in reading, canon stop government policy from taking place can continually cause, i mean, you're being not you, but the government being outwitted by by being outwitted. >> they should get smarter. long haired people . haired people. >> this is the fear that the authorities are walking on eggshells. the police are afraid to do anything. and so agitators like that who are out to cause as much disruption as they can get away with, are allowed to get away with, are allowed to get away with it. so it's time we clamp down on those sort of people. i'm all in favour of freedom of protest. i'm all in favour. no matter what your protesting about, left or right, any calls is perfectly fair. but when people behave like that, there should be action against them because they're ruining .

them because they're ruining. they're ruining the lives of other people. >> but it depends. if you arrest them, will you have enough to actually charge them? i guess the main thing is that the police see just from that. no, not not necessarily with him. i'm just saying in general, i think a lot of people would want to see just protests across the board be a deterrent. >> there's no deterrent. if the police don't act, they'll carry on behaving the way they're doing. there's no deterrent to deal with it. >> they've been working in this area for many, many years. they know all the tricks about infiltrating, of listening to people's phones, of making sure that they, in fact, don't give them advance knowledge of what they're doing. all those tactics are still happening, john. all right . well, that's that's our right. well, that's that's our old friend incompetence, isn't it? it doesn't mean to say we think that's okay. no, it is not okay. they can do it better. they can be better policemen. >> i think that's the point. one of the points i was hoping to get across here really, is that you make you make the statement there about. yes. our old friend incompetence and you know we've got that you know this government's flagship policy, the rwanda scheme which does also involve a bit of the bibby stockholm. you've got people being taken, you know, just on the on the day of the local

elections, taken from a hotel to the bibby stockholm and essentially that has been brought to a halt by a leak by, by a leak followed by student union activists on a power trip. right. and i would if i was the home secretary, i would be quite embarrassed about about. sure, i think and in fact, the fact that it keeps happening, really ban masks, a ban, face coverings everywhere. germany, they were very keen to do it. they were keen to do it at the at the saint george's day gatherings. i mean because because there everyone was pretty much apart from that geezer was masked up so but why. but the police have that in their power. why didn't they decide to do that ? it's they decide to do that? it's kind of two tier policing, isn't it? >> i have no idea. i have no idea why they wouldn't enforce it. like i said, i think in every protest, for some reason, i think that they approach things differently. i don't know whether it's the police officer who's in charge at any given day and has a different approach. i really can't explain it, but i think that, you know, across the board, they should ban people from having face masks and face coverings to and an extent,

obviously, if it's kind of like just a mask, like what we used to wear in the pandemic, fine. but if someone has a full on balaclava, then that is actually quite intimidating and it almost kind of signals that you're planning on doing something, quite illegal, rather than just protesting. >> you want to go for people doing these things if you want. if you feel so strongly about a cause that you're willing to break the law for it, or you're willing to, you know, cause mass disruption and intimidate people and assault people at times, as did happen yesterday. then i don't know if you necessarily have the right to cover your face while you're doing that. >> the problem i've got as a constituency mp, my constituents are overwhelmingly law abiding. they pay their taxes , they go to they pay their taxes, they go to work, they don't commit crimes, and yet they want to live in a peaceful society. they don't want to walk out the door and find these sort of things going on. they want to have a place to live which is free of crime, free of intimidation . and when free of intimidation. and when they see things like this happening in london, you know what? they're actually afraid to go to london, they're afraid to go to london, they're afraid to go to london, they're afraid to go to town centres because these sort of things are happening. so

i think we should start looking after the law abiding people of this country rather than appeasing the people. >> that's what they're constantly protesting. >> that's what president biden finally got around to after this long delay, about what to do about all these encampments. s he suddenly said, oh, well, of course, you know, if you're breaking the law, that is the point. yeah, you've either you either have the law or you don't have the law, but you can't just say, oh, well, let's think of it, let's do it as we go. >> but i can tell you, as an mp in a constituency, my constituents are worried that the police will enforce it in that given situation. but they're walking on eggshells in another situation better than nothing. >> well, it's not well, this is just nothing. >> it has to be a rule of law that's equal for everyone. sure. >> if you can do it. >> yeah. all right. okay. >> yeah. all right. okay. >> another flying start of the hour now coming up. and we'll have all of tomorrow's newspaper pages today. but next, why did labour's vote fall largely in muslim populated areas? i think we can all hazard a guess , but we can all hazard a guess, but how much of a problem is this? and what do some of these new independent candidates really want? what do they really for ? want? what do they really for? stand is there any risk

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i >> welcome back to patrick christys tonight. now, tory votes plummeted last night in certain areas as labour swept up . but despite an all in victorious evening for labour in quite a few places, the party lost controls of councils representing areas with high

muslim populations . so why have muslim populations. so why have labour lost seats like oldham , labour lost seats like oldham, for example, where around 24% of people there are actually muslim? there are also some areas around the north—east where people decided to vote. green elements of the muslim community apparently decided to go green instead of labour, so i thought i'd bring my panel back in for this one. we have got apprentice finalist joana jarjue broadcaster john sergeant and conservative mp andrew rosindell . so andrew, i suppose this is really actually a saving grace for the tory party, which is that if the muslim vote has deserted the labour party, that could save you guys quite a bit of embarrassment potentially at the next election. >> well, i don't think there should be a vote for a particular religion. >> i think individuals should vote for what's best for our country or for the community they're living in. so i would hope people wouldn't vote because they're a particular religion for a particular party. okay. i mean, the trend has been recently, though, that more british muslims vote for labour

than any other party, and that appears to be on the slide. john. >> well, yeah, i mean, keir starmer was was stuck with a real serious dilemma when the, when the, when the incident took place october the sixth, he then had to decide what was he going to do. was he going to just immediately join the uproar which then followed on the palestinian side. and he then decided actually, i think rather bravely, that that would be irresponsible to do that, because if he was going to be the next prime minister, next yean the next prime minister, next year, it would be quite difficult to equate that move , difficult to equate that move, move immediately on the palestinian side. to hell with our old ally israel . there would our old ally israel. there would be too much of a jump. and they took a strategic decision. they knew they were going to get hammered. they knew this would not be popular in muslim areas. they knew that they were taking a risk, but they decided it was a risk, but they decided it was a risk, but they decided it was a risk worth taking. and i think it was no, but i think that where keir starmer lost the muslim vote and probably hasn't been able to gain it back has been able to gain it back has been from the lbc interview where he was asked about the

situation and asked if it was justified for israel to cut off water, and he carried on, kind of repeating that israel has a right to defend itself. >> and obviously when you go that far, trying to claw it back and then, you know, trying to claw it back in a way that doesn't feel enough for people where you're not really going for a ceasefire, you're going for a ceasefire, you're going for a ceasefire, you're going for a temporary pause , and for a temporary pause, and you're using all this other language. i think that has a lot to do with it. and obviously it has sadly become about religion. >> they've blamed the fact that they haven't won in the west midlands on losing the muslim vote. >> i think the problem is labour plays a game with minorities. it targets its minorities all the time and tries to appease one group against another group against. that's what they do all the time. this is what sadiq khan has been doing in london now it's backfiring on them, so they're losing the votes of a certain group of people. i believe that people should vote for a party because they've got the right policies for the whole country. they shouldn't be basing on what's best for their

particular religion or what's best for their minority group. funnily, labour has played this game and now it's all going back on them. >> i don't think this will be a big factor in the election. not a big factor. it'll be there, a factor , but not a great big factor, but not a great big factor. they've done opinion polling in america, asking people directly whether they think the middle east will feature. when it comes to the general election. the presidential election in america. and the conclusion is it'll be there, but not very much. >> i think one of the yeah, so you've got to be careful when you've got to be careful when you have no power over gaza, when your voice is having absolutely no point. >> john. that's my next point, which is that i think this is seriously now unearthing that there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people in this country whose main issue now is what is happening to people who might share the same religion as them in another country, on another continent, and not what's going not whether someone's filling a pothole in on their road. joanna. >> yeah, and actually , i think >> yeah, and actually, i think it's quite, understandable, to be honest. i think that they kind of look at them and they see a kind of mirror , and i

see a kind of mirror, and i think that the same thing is happening, obviously with the jewish community as well . and i jewish community as well. and i would argue that some people on the right and some conservatives also play the same game that labouris also play the same game that labour is being accused of doing when it comes to israel and their stance on it. so i think it works both ways. >> you come back to that, then we'll local elections. >> you vote for what's best for your local community. once you start bringing international politics into local matters. these are local elections. it shouldn't be turned into a sectarian battle. you do what's right for your local community. so when labour played this game and now it's being turned back in their face, obviously they're going to suffer for it. >> well, they mustn't turn the workers party, the workers party of britain is now in control of rochdale council, and they've got the local mp. >> i would, i would bet like everything i own on the fact that the vast majority of those people , i don't want the day to come. >> and we're encouraged by where people are voting. >> we mustn't give in, mustn't compromise on this, that's all. if you start moving, you compromise on this, that's all. if you start moving , you really if you start moving, you really are in trouble.

>> you can't allow a situation to develop where people are voting for a particular party because of their particular religious view. well, all parties should be there for everyone and represent the interests of the whole country. >> people in northern body. >> people in northern body. >> everybody thought that it was okay for people to vote based on their religion, or leave parties based on their religion . when it based on their religion. when it was the anti—semitism argument, nobody, you know, pretended as if that was a bad reason. so now for the muslim community, if they feel as if a certain party isn't relating to their their values and the people, some of them have families in gaza . but them have families in gaza. but yeah, exactly. but it doesn't. but it's labour they're turning against. that's good for you. but what i'm saying is that when it was anti—semitism against laboun it was anti—semitism against labour, nobody was saying, well, you shouldn't be using your religion with your politics. you know, when you when labour were losing votes, as i said , andrew, losing votes, as i said, andrew, what about what about northern ireland? >> i mean, you know, they've been voting for their religion and their identity in the different communities for as long as i can remember. >> okay. all right guys. well look coming up, coming up. are you a terrorist in search of a

hoofie you a terrorist in search of a hootie scholarship? well, if so, then pack your bags and go and study abroad in yemen. i'll reveal exactly what i'm banging on about shortly. but next, are we diving into the very first of tomorrow's

welcome back to patrick christys. tonight we are about to do the front pages. shall we? let's start with the i. kevin spacey accused by young actor as he faces new allegations. this is double oscar winner kevin spacey is accused of groping an actor aged 21 years old, who's waived his right to anonymity. to date, spacey has not responded to the claims. yeah, but i did see a tweet with kevin spacey where he said that he's been repeatedly approached about stuff and he's repeatedly asked to be given a bit of time to actually respond to what are no doubt very complex and quite serious allegations. he says he's not been given that time.

we move on to the next paper, the daily mail. rishi plotters give up and go to the pub. tories take a drubbing in local elections but at last rebel mps tell the mail they're calling time on their bids to topple the prime minister. there we go . prime minister. there we go. let's go to the ft. tory trouncing leaves sunak with battle to avert general election rout. that's the financial times . we're going to go to the daily .we're going to go to the daily express next. rebels kill plot to oust rishi for now. interesting so the mail and the express have got a very similar front page there. also a nice lovely picture of the king giving zara a big hug, i've also got the daily star. there we go. smithy and nest to wed fans plea for a happy ending. so for the very last time, gavin and stacey will be on air. it's going to be a christmas day special. i believe the final , gavin and believe the final, gavin and stacey, episode ever so there we go.the stacey, episode ever so there we go. the finale, right. i'm joined by my panel. i'm just going to get an initial reaction

to. let's just do it. the mail's front page here, if that's okay, so it looks as though, andrew, that the tory plot to oust rishi sunak has fizzled out, dame andrea jenkins , was the first andrea jenkins, was the first tory mp to publicly move against the prime minister, said it was now unlikely that others would follow in sufficient numbers. interesting, because i did wonder if a load of letters , no wonder if a load of letters, no confidence we're going to go in. well, it looks like they've gone to the pub. >> well, i hope not. i've certainly not written a letter of no confidence. i think everyone's tired of civil war in the conservative party we need to be one party because the real enemy is the labour party, and the real plotters are the left wing that want to take over our country and impose socialism on us, which i think would be a disaster for our country. so the conservative party have to unite and build support across the country to ensure we don't get a labour government. >> it's a bit late, isn't it, for this. yeah. >> no, no, no. if you if you remember when, when, we had six months before we were way behind in 2019, we came back with an 80

seat majority. so i know we've doneit seat majority. so i know we've done it before. we can do it again. >> i don't mean that i think the plotting has gone on for quite long enough, and every twist and turn people have said they've just got to stop these stupid arguments within each other. they must look out to the electorate because they've got an election. >> john, you know better than anyone that this goes on in all political parties. not like it's been far too much in the conservative party. we need to actually think about winning the election. >> it's been longer and sillier than anything i can ever remember. >> can i just ask? >> can i just ask? >> i, don't want me interjecting on this, but is this the front of the i. i actually think it's a really interesting story. this okay. and is the kevin spacey stuff. right. because the i of done kevin spacey accused by young actor as he faces new allegations and i've got a tweet here in front of me from kevin spacey that was put out a couple of days ago. so he must have known this stuff was coming. he says over the last week, i've repeatedly requested that channel 4 afford me more than seven days to respond to allegations made against me dating back 48 years and provide me with sufficient detail to investigate these matters.

channel 4 has refused, on the bafis channel 4 has refused, on the basis that they feel that asking for a response in seven days to new, anonymized and non—specific allegations is a fair opportunity. he says he's not going to sit back and take this, he says each time he was given the opportunity in a proper forum to defend himself, he's been cleared, he's been exonerated. and is it reasonable for newspapers, do you think, to do this, to slap certain things like this on a front page? >> no, i do think it is. and i think it's all very well. they were saying it was anonymous. and aren't they now saying that this person has given up his right to anonymity? so what they've got to do is be very, very careful. i mean, people go on about trial by television, but this looks very like trial by newspaper. and you've got to be very careful about this. you know, we've got this story. we'll keep it going. and he's got a reply. that's that's unpleasant. and it's you know, he's a he's with all the other things. you've got to make sure that he's dealt with fairly. if there's a proper accusation, it's got to be heard properly and so on. but but not this. you you speak to us now or else

we're going to publish all this stuff. >> i mean, you're. yeah >> i mean, you're. yeah >> i mean, i guess the bigger question really is the starting point. and that's channel 4. obviously they've, had ed similar programs like this when they did the russell brand thing . so clearly they've done it and whatever formula, they got away with it. so you know, they've continued to do that. and then the i have kind of jumped on that bandwagon rather than being the one who can kind of take full, the full blame. and they must have something. that's not to say that, you know, it's never concrete. they're not the police at the end of the day, but they clearly have enough for them not to be liable. you know. >> yeah. i mean, it says it says here in front of the i he faces allegations from ten men in a channel 4 documentary which he has dismissed as biased and wrong. and then the next line is this he was cleared of all sexual offences charges after standing trial all last year. and yeah, i don't know kevin spacey. i'm a fan of his acting work. obviously i've never met the guy i don't know. there have been a lot of allegations. he denies them all. i just find that wonder whether or not this

level of exposure is unfair. >> i don't know, it's wholly wrong. >> yeah. i don't think that the media should be covering accusations innocent till proven guilty. at the moment. it's on the front page of the newspaper because people start believing it, even if it's completely untrue . i have no idea there's untrue. i have no idea there's any validity at all. frankly we shouldn't even be discussing it. at the end of the day , if at the end of the day, if someone is guilty, that's different. but all these accusations are levelled at people. yeah often it's vendettas and often it's malicious . and i just think it's wrong. >> and it's one thing to sell newspapers and ones to boost television. >> one thing as well, isn't it? i mean, different situation , but i mean, different situation, but it's like with the oj simpson thing. even though he was acquitted, it carries on to be a debate. even with his recent death . did he do it? didn't he death. did he do it? didn't he do it? and then people are really divided on it. and i think that they know that things like this sell, unfortunately. and they would have sat down with the lawyers and made sure that whatever they cover, i mean, doesn't go too far. >> you know, that's the thing.

and i know people were saying there's echoes of the russell brand thing here, and i thought that was a bit off colour as well. there is a proper forum for those kind of very serious allegations to be levelled out there and put out someone and for them to experience it again, you know, if there have been any victims, i feel awful for them. but at the same time, you know, i look at this now, he denies everything and his face is everywhere and is going to be a documentary about it. i it just seems a bit back to front that to me, but anyway, moving on, a university in yemen is appealing to pro—palestinian protesters to study in their country. so sana'a university, which is run by the houthis, have opened their doors to any protesters that were involved in taking over campuses in the us earlier this week . and i thought going this week. and i thought going through clearance was easy when you were going to university , you were going to university, yeah, just got too much time on this now. but, yeah. john, elon musk off of twitter fame and tesla fame, was saying he thinks there should be a law in america. who's joking? where if anyone takes down the flag of america and replaces it with a flag of another country, they should have to go on a mandatory

flight to that country. >> yeah, well, of course, this is a stand now. >> it must be one of the most dangerous, most unpleasant places in the world. and the idea that they're offering how decent of them to offer to so they can continue with their studies . i'm they can continue with their studies. i'm afraid this is cynical and horrible to see how many take it up. >> johnny. you know, this is this is the kind of place they're out there screaming and protesting about. go on. then you go and study over there. >> well, this is the thing obviously they will protest on their behalf because they're in a much worse situation than them. but you've got a real problem in the west where you know, some young people in this next generation are starting to feel as if maybe they relate to some of these people, in terms of what they stand for and in terms of their social justice and things like that. so, you know, social a lot of, of , of know, social a lot of, of, of the houthis know the social justice, justice of the palestinians , obviously with the palestinians, obviously with the houthis and everything that happened. okay. but then you could say that the us based saudi arabia, like, you know what i mean? you can't just say that so and so backed that there are some sections of today's generation that don't know how

lucky they are to live in a free society. >> and one group is called a good university, and one group is called gays for palestine. if they actually went to palestine, they actually went to palestine, they might. and then another group is called jewish voices for peace as well . for peace as well. >> all right. so all right. >> all right. so all right. >> okay, well, well, what they wish for, that's all. >> careful what they wish for now. indeed. but we'll be fascinating to see once. see how many of those students do take up the offer of yemen to go and study in one of their houthi universities. coming up, i will crown tonight's greatest prisoner union jack, as oyez. and what's been face been up to now? have you seen or heard of this guy? count binface? he could be the new mayor of london. it's patrick christys tonight. we are

gb news. all right. welcome back to patrick christys tonight. and i've got a couple more front pages for you . here's the front pages for you. here's the front of the times. john cleese at 84. money ageing and ex—wives. nice guy, john cleese. anyway victory for tory mayer helps sunak to

cling on. that's what they're really going with there. the daily telegraph sunak. we have everything to fight for. pm defiant they also say the king to take on hundreds of patronages , it's another one. patronages, it's another one. that big picture of a beaming king giving zara tindall a massive great big hug so that we 90, massive great big hug so that we go, so those are your front pages right now. it's time to have a little bit of a look at our first viral video of the night. and my panel haven't seen this yet, so we are all approaching this apart from me for the very first time. as the eurovision song contest takes place next weekend, our representative for the uk, olly alexander , is providing updates alexander, is providing updates on his performance . would you on his performance. would you vote for this? >> who make me dizzy from your kisses? >> will you take my hand and spin me round and round until the moment never ends. make me dizzy from your kisses. will you

take my hand and take me back to the beginning again ? the beginning again? >> john. sergeant, is that a bit of, you know, point to me. >> i think that's a relevant quote. there's a long tradition of the brits doing badly at the eurovision. here we go. we've got another perfect person to mess it up and not do very well. >> maybe he is very popular. i mean, i know he's very popular. he's probably sold millions of records in his time. olly alexander, you're shaking your head. >> no, i've never heard of him before. oh there you go. i just think we can. >> surely britain can do better than that. i mean, really, we can surely find someone that can put on a better performance representing great britain . representing great britain. >> well, well, look, i think everyone would hope so. yeah joanna would. >> i absolutely loved it . i >> i absolutely loved it. i thought it was flamboyant. i loved the outfit. i want that sparkly bra thing so i can be patriotic as well. was it not the union jack that was on there? was it? it was camp. it

was everything. and i think that also he was, you know, not doing also he was, you know, not doing a super serious performance. it was clearly on tiktok live or something like that. his audience will love it. i love it ten, not ten point what however many points he's allowed, give him all the points. >> as far as you're concerned, all is very i'm not sure. >> i'm i don't know, ten. terrible. you're shaking your head now. no. okay all right. well, well, just yeah, i think practice is what's required there. >> and lowering his voice . those >> and lowering his voice. those are the two things i would. >> john sergeant giving singing lessons to olly alexander was not on my bingo card for more than you have here, but there we go. right. okay. it's time to reveal today's greatest britain and union jackass. reveal today's greatest britain and union jackass . right? then and union jackass. right? then get remembering what these are. people john. who is your greatest britain? >> greatest britain, penny mordaunt. right. unusual in a way for me to suggest that she does it. but i did like her phrase about when she's asked, you know, are you plotting or are you working with the plotters? and she said she did not want to be installed at number 10 like a new boiler. >> well , actually, john, i

number 10 like a new boiler. >> well, actually, john, i must say that brings me on quite seamlessly to the fact that i've done a little sit down interview with penny morden, which will be going out afterward. >> fingers crossed. on, monday. yes so more details about that to follow. but go on. >> who's your. >> who's your. >> so my greatest britain is the person i really hope. fingers crossed tomorrow will become our new mayor of london. susan hall. she's been magnificent. she's gritty, she's down to earth. she's actually saying things that people want to hear. she's got the common sense. we need to be mayor. and i really hope that we get good news tomorrow. and she becomes our new mayor of london. >> i can tell you she won't. she'll lose. well she might run it close, though. >> okay. >> okay. >> all right. wait and see, john. >> okay. she's waiting. okay. can i go? >> okay. because i agree that i think for a lot of people, just when you really think about the demographics of london and it's labour and all of that, that it is quite unthinkable to imagine that susan hall would win. but a lot of the noise on social media now, and the look on your face implies to me that maybe you've

heard something. >> i can tell you that tomorrow there is a potential for a surprise. certainly my own constituency. i couldn't find a barely a person voting for sadiq khan, and i think there's a common theme throughout london. high turnout in conservative areas, very low turnout in labour areas. i think tomorrow we may get some good news, but let's wait. >> i mean, that will be massive and make sure that you do keep it gb news tomorrow because there is, as it currently stands, the possibility that sadiq khan might be booted out. but we'll have to wait and see. johanna, who's your greatest britain, please. >> mine is a new councillor called laura james. she is part of the women's equality party and i thought it was really good that, you know, an independent party, who fight for women's views was able to kind of get in and actually get a seat and, you know, you never know. this could be the thing that gets the ball rolling. so great for her. she's breaking barriers. >> yeah. fair play. all right okay. so today's greatest britain. it's a tough one for me. this i thought they were all very very good choices. but in light of the fact that you are

going to be seeing and hearing a fair bit more of her on monday, i thought i'd go for penny mordaunt. so there we go. all right. now then, who is your union jack acas john wright, jarnail singh, you may not have heard of him, but he's yet another of those former senior people from the post office. >> he's the post office lawyer. he denied that he knew about the bugs and the horizon system. the lawyer then said, what about this email that you that you printed out? did you not see it? no, he didn't see it. he wouldn't know to how print it out. he wouldn't understand the language . and you just thought, language. and you just thought, well, look, this is all very well, look, this is all very well . and so the lawyer went at well. and so the lawyer went at him and said, it's a great big fat lie, isn't it? but he then stuck to his position. now you may say, well, at least you know, if he's not, if he doesn't implicate himself, this may be the wise thing that the lawyers are suggesting. be very careful. don't admit any any hint of blame. yeah, but frankly, the result is just so awful. okay. >> all right, a strong start. go on then. >> right. i'm going to nominate

the person who i hope will not be the mayor of london tomorrow. sadiq khan. he's been catastrophic , particularly for catastrophic, particularly for areas like havering. i'm the i'm the mp for that area representing romford. what he's done to us and what he's done for the whole of london is really appalling . i hope he gets really appalling. i hope he gets voted out tomorrow and he's definitely my union jackass. >> it's really i just wonder if the conservative shaun bailey had a whiff of this, though, didn't he, you know, the last time round where there was a, a little bit where they thought, oh, this is very, very close and he's going to win? i suppose it was quite close. and i think he was quite close. and i think he was four and a half points behind from memory. but, yeah, i just wonder if the tories had thrown a bit more on the kitchen sink, i'd say. but maybe there's method to the madness. maybe there's methods to the madness. >> i know it's very difficult when you've got the mayor, who appears whenever a big story. oh, yeah, there is the mayor. there's no question of we must hear from the person who might replace him. it's going to be very interesting. no, up comes the mayor. yeah. he speaks for all of us. he then goes away. and no other political comment in the cold light of day to look

at sadiq khan record. >> if he is turfed out, i think it will be interesting because he's going to have to justify what on earth he's actually really done. and joanna, who's your union jackass? >> please. >> please. >> mine is a guy that's crawled out of the woodwork, and i'm not happy. borisjohnson out of the woodwork, and i'm not happy. boris johnson for forgetting his id when heading to the polls, when he's the one who actually made it a rule. another instance of him making a rule for himself, making a rule for everybody else, and then breaking it himself. i thought it was quite embarrassing, but i think he probably wanted the pr as well , now that he knows that. as well, now that he knows that. well, i think rishi sunak in there. >> he did get a lot of pr, exactly. which i think some people might say that it was possibly deliberate to get yourself on the front pages. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> at some point. >> at some point. >> it sounds to me desperate, if that's the very desperate indeed, john, today's union jackass is going to be sadiq khan. >> yes, there we go and make sure, make sure, make sure she's happy. there he is. and make sure make sure that you do tune into gb news because there are going to be more and more election results coming in and potentially as well, that big mayor of london results. and

well, we're hearing that there might be some kind of shock there. i remain john remains resolutely unconvinced. he thinks sadiq khan is going to cling on. but all the noise on social media is that susan hall might have done a little bit better than first expected. but talking of the mayor of london. so finish the show this evening. let's take a little look, shall we, at the person who could be the new mayor of london. the next time that you see me doing a show, i'll see you on monday. are you to me are everything. >> the city i'll be conquering ? >> the city i'll be conquering? all of them. all of them . you all of them. all of them. you used to think i'm just a clown . used to think i'm just a clown. but there are two things coming down. all of them. >> yeah, there we go. obviously, i can't tell you who i voted for , but. well, you know, it wasn't sadiq khan was it? look, have a great weekend, everybody, and thank you very, very, very much. everybody has been watching and tuning in this week. thank you, thank you, thank you to my wonderful panel. make sure you keep it gb news for headliners

next to take much more in depth, look at all of the paper. >> this evening, welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. a mixed may day bank holiday weekend. some places having warm sunshine, but there will be a fair few showers around as well. had a real mixed picture today. cracking day in western scotland. dull and damp over the central areas, the rain here slowly edging northwards. clearer skies in the south could allow it to turn quite chilly actually . may not be far off actually. may not be far off freezing in some rural parts of the south, whereas the cloud and the south, whereas the cloud and the rain over northern england, southern scotland, northern ireland will keep the temperatures up in double digits here. it does make for a pretty dismal start to the long weekend. a lot of cloud and rain and drizzle on and off through the day. north east england may well brighten up a much brighter day tomorrow for the midlands, east anglia and many southern counties of england and wales.

fine tomorrow with some sunny spells and again the west coast of scotland doing okay for sunshine. not quite as warm as today, but 1718 likely here. cool on some of these north sea coasts, particularly the far north—east where it stays fairly murky. that's going to be an issue, i think on sunday as well. mist and low cloud around the coast in the northeast could be some heavy showers developing through the day over central and eastern scotland , but again many eastern scotland, but again many areas fine. on sunday, some spells of sunshine , increasing spells of sunshine, increasing chance of seeing cloud and showers coming up from the south but with a bit of sunshine, temperatures getting into the high teens once more, that'll feel pretty pleasant.

gb news. >> good evening. you're watching and listening to gb news. i'm sam francis. the headlines at 11. the conservatives are on track for their worst set of local election results in 40 years. the party's lost hundreds of seats across england, with laboun of seats across england, with labour, the liberal democrats and independents making gains. reform uk also put in a strong showing in the blackpool south by—election, coming in third place. sir keir starmer claims labour's results are a direct message to the prime minister, as he renewed demands for rishi sunak to call a general election . well, the liberal democrats have also made gains, with party leader sir ed davey pledging to make the conservative government history. >> people from around our great country have had enough of this out of touch conservative government

>> they've had enough