amankona. and in the spoilt this amankona. and in the spoilt ballot. i couldn't give a fig about any of them. it's the one and only ben. leo trying to bnng and only ben. leo trying to bring a bit of sanity to proceedings and making her debut on the show, i finally got another durham dynamo in the form of fleur meston. and of course we want to know your views as well. send your views and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay vie. and don't forget all your questions. they need to come in thick and fast for our ask the five segment, where you can ask us anything. but before we start tearing each other apart, it's your saturday night news with sam francis . sam francis. >> darren. thank you and very good evening to you. it's just gone 6:00 and we'll start with the latest developments in the local elections and to london, where labour's sadiq khan has won there for a historic third term. this was the moment,

though, that he was heckled and booed as he stepped up to start his acceptance speech. thank you, london. >> confused. london. confused. london can you please? >> well, the labour candidate claimed almost 44% of the vote in london and over 275,000 more votes than his conservative rival susan hall. during the contest. he has been criticised for his expansion of the caphaps for his expansion of the capital's ultra low emission zone and rising crime rates. but mr khan says he is keeping positive . positive. >> it's londoners who inspire me every day to continue our mission of building a fairer , mission of building a fairer, safer and greener london and in what i hope will be a year of great change a future labour government led by keir starmer . government led by keir starmer. working with us in city hall will mean we can go much further and accomplish so much more .

and accomplish so much more. >> well, labour's also celebrating successes in liverpool, in south yorkshire and west yorkshire in greater manchester, two where andy burnham has been re—elected. he picked up just over 63% of the vote there and says he'll always give his best to the job. >> i'm overwhelmed , so have so >> i'm overwhelmed, so have so many people to prepared put their trust in me? is overwhelming. it's humbling , and overwhelming. it's humbling, and i recognise that people who vote for other parties at a general election of lend me their support and it's why i will be very, very rigid in taking a place first rather than a party first approach. seems to me that that's what the role of the mayor is all about, bringing people together, you know, get everybody pulling in the same direction for a great city region like this one. and that's what i will be doing . what i will be doing. >> andy burnham there, speaking earlier this afternoon. well, here's a look at the gains and losses this afternoon in the local elections across england. if you're watching on tv, you can see here those latest results. labour now gaining

control of eight councils up to a total of 50. and the liberal democrats have one more council seat overall than the conservatives. meanwhile, in the west midlands, a recount has been ordered . in other news, the been ordered. in other news, the family of daniel anjorin say they are devastated after he was killed walking to school in london on tuesday. the 14 year old, who's been described as loving and precious, was attacked by a man with a sword in hainault. four other people in hainault. four other people in two, including two police officers, were also injured in that attack . marcus monzo, a that attack. marcus monzo, a spanish brazilian dual national, was charged with murdering the teenager and appeared at westminster magistrates court on thursday . we've heard today that thursday. we've heard today that tens of thousands of homes in east sussex are still without water, and that will last until at least tomorrow after a pipe burst, southern water says disruption in the saint leonards on sea area and hastings started on sea area and hastings started on thursday. the firm, though, insists it is working tirelessly

to get supplies back up and running. but residents say it's been disastrous . dozens of been disastrous. dozens of migrants in two small boats have crossed the channel today. footage captured the moment that a french vessel followed the boats until reaching english waters. the passengers on board, most of them men , were taken to most of them men, were taken to a british border force vessel off the coast of dover. it bnngs off the coast of dover. it brings the total number of people arriving in the uk via the channel so far this year to now, more than 8300 and finally pro—palestinian students are continuing their protests at universities across the uk . it universities across the uk. it follows violent demonstrations at some campuses in the us , sit at some campuses in the us, sit in camps, and anti—israel banners have been set up at some universities to protest israel's war against hamas. students in bristol, in leeds, manchester, newcastle and in sheffield are currently camping out in tents outside their campus buildings . outside their campus buildings. those are the headlines. i'll be

back at 7:00. until then, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts . slash alerts. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes and i can promise that you're in for a very lively two hours. let's crack on with tonight's first debate. all right. which rapscallion wants to lead us off tonight? >> well, darren, it's me, and i'm here to say that it's not all doom and gloom for the tories . after a set of tories. after a set of particularly bruising local election results . now, it is election results. now, it is absolutely for sure that there will be many tories, many tory activists up and down the country licking their wounds after a particularly wounding set of local election results . set of local election results. but i'm here to say that it's not actually as bad as it looks, because if we look at the votes extrapolated onto onto the national picture, it actually shows just a 10 or 11% lead for the labour party. if we look at

what's happened in london, susan hall lost to sadiq khan, but actually by a much smaller margin than what the national polling picture says. so could the polls actually be wrong ? and the polls actually be wrong? and could the race for the next prime minister of the united kingdom actually be much tighter than we initially thought? benjamin butterworth, what do you make of this? because polls nationally are putting the labour party 20 plus points ahead of the conservative party but if we look at what's happenedin but if we look at what's happened in the local elections, yes, the tories have lost hundreds of councillors. that's absolutely true . but if we look absolutely true. but if we look at the actual margin between them, it's about 10 or 11. so much closer than we thought initially. you know god loves a trier. >> so good on you. you've made the effort. yeah. i was reading today actually that, in 1996, when the tories had two terrible results, the tory line was, oh, the public don't really like tony blair. you're hearing a lot

of the same things about keir starmer. it'sjust of the same things about keir starmer. it's just trying to excuse it. now, look, the facts of this is, as professor sir john curtice, the oracle of psephology, always says, local elections are actually quite hard to copy and paste on to national ones. so if you look at the results, if it's 10 or 11% by the end of counting, as it will be later today, or maybe tomorrow, then that would mean it's a bigger margin than we saw in last year's local elections. and if you look at where the seats where the wards have shifted, they're very well targeted. so you've got redditch, you've got rushmoor, you've got milton keynes . what you've got milton keynes. what you're seeing is middle class areas , conservative areas and areas, conservative areas and most of all leave voting areas. having the biggest shifts from to tory labour. and so if you actually put that onto a general election, i think you would, you know, it still looks very positive for the labour party. >> i just want to get up some footage earlier on from sadiq khan's victory speech here in london, where he was actually heckled as he was giving his

victory speech. we're going to get those images for you . get those images for you. >> right now it's londoners who inspire me every day to continue our mission of building a fairer, safer and greener london and in what i hope will be a year of great change, a future labour government led by keir starmer, working with us in city hall . hall. >> so there was an actual heckling that went on. i believe it's from the britain first party, which actually got fewer votes in the london mayoral election than count binface, who we saw behind sadiq khan. there i mean, what do you make, darren of britain first allegedly heckling sadiq khan? >> well, i mean , i don't really >> well, i mean, i don't really care who's doing it. who's i can't we'll just see the actual heckle because we didn't have it in that video from killed london khan killed london. so i mean you say that's britain . i don't

you say that's britain. i don't know if that's britain first. is it britain first? >> well, he's got the rosette on. so you assume so. on. so you assume so. >> on. so you assume so. >> right. well i mean i don't care who's heckling him. i just know that i would do exactly the same thing in that scenario. >> you would have heckled sadiq khan. >> absolutely. what have you. why i think that that man is a divisive disgrace to this nation. >> but do you not think in a democratic society, if someone has won the popular vote, then in a democratic society, i'm free to tell that man what a loathsome creature. >> i think he is. and what do you think? >> if it is britain first that's heckled him, i don't care who it is. >> i don't think it matters who it is, albee. i mean, it's britain first. you'd find plenty of non britain first people who would also heckle sadiq khan. >> i think they've heckled. if susan hall won, sorry, would they have heckled if susan h ayward. hayward. >> lefties would have done. >> lefties would have done. >> probably not. definitely no. i mean, look, you know, his lot was saying that the fascists and racists were voting for susan hall. >> wes streeting tweeted something. >> the thing about the thing about free and fair democratic elections is that when you stand up and get the results, that's the consequence of the people.

and so someone who's trying to heckle or shout, regardless of the reason or targeted at whom what they're trying to do is, is distort their voice. you know, the people have voted for sadiq khan with a swing to the labour party. >> fleur, are you enjoying the carnage? >> well, i don't actually live in london right now, but i spend so much time here and i must say, i am a big one for complaining about the state of london. i mean, do you feel safe in london? no, i don't, if i have jewellery on and i'm on the tube i'll hide it. if you look on the bbc news page, which is crime in london this week , it's crime in london this week, it's just like a majority of the stories of violent attacks, stabbings. i mean , just to read stabbings. i mean, just to read some of sadiq khan's record here, theft is up 31, robbery is up 58, sexual offences up 43. >> he's a complete failure. benjamin butterworth and yet you i imagine, voted for sadiq khan rewarding his failure. >> who did you vote for? >> who did you vote for? >> well, it's a secret ballot, you see. i mean, look, you know, i do feel sorry, for count

binface because he spent all those years trying to be the comedy candidate. and then susan hall turned up. so it must be so frustrating because you rewarding sadiq khan's failure. ben yeah. what a trash can she was of a candidate, you know, she is someone who i do think was supported by racists and white supremacists. she is someone that endorsed donald trump that opposed brexit. nothing common with londoners. and on the question of crime, i think not sacking 20,000 police officers and shutting a great many police stations in london would probably not have helped the crime responsible for anything which we've seen in terms of crime happen in london since he became the mayor of london. >> nothing to do with him. >> nothing to do with him. >> i'm not saying that, but what i'm saying, what are you saying? what i'm saying is that when you sack thousands of police officers and then only very recently hire under experienced officers, when you close the police stations, you know , police stations, you know, theresa may and the tories defunded the police. i don't think you should defund the police. >> what about over a thousand nightlife venues have closed since sadiq khan was last elected . elected as mayor of elected. elected as mayor of london. he's made just 2.8% progress towards the 2026

housing target. and yet you voted for him . voted for him. >> and crucially, can i just say exactly crucially, stop and search is down 44% because he doesn't want to do it. he thinks it's racist . what happens? knife it's racist. what happens? knife crime goes up and kids die on our streets. that's what you voted. so ultimately you need to take responsibility for that again. >> actually, the same person that defunded the police also cut down massively on stop and search. and that's theresa may. she was largely against stop and search. but look, the fact is that, you know, i think the tories what you're doing here is saying the voters are wrong and no one, no party wins an election with that strategy . election with that strategy. there has been a swing towards the labour labour party from the tories said the voters are racist. no, i said, i said, i said that people that believe that will have liked susan hall and i stand by what wes streeting, the shadow health secretary, said. >> i think that was. >> i think that was. >> but the fact is that you know, i will say this in caveat to sadiq khan. he is under polling where labour generally is . i polling where labour generally is. i don't think he's personally popular. and i do think, and this is why i think tories are so pathetic in this

election. i do think sadiq khan is beatable and most labour party activists and staff in london know that. >> i've always said on this show that london, i've been going to london since i was a small kid, regularly, week after week for arsenal, matches for different things since i was nine, ten, 11. i spent a lot of time in london. i don't live here. thankfully but london has gone downhill significantly, significantly over the past ten years, 20 years. and if people want to vote for sadiq khan and continue the norm, that's fine. good luck to you. i don't really care because i don't live here. i live in a much nicer part of the uk, but if you want to vote for that guy and you're happy with the status quo, good luck to you. i'm not going to get too excited. >> will it be isolated to london for that's the problem? >> well, exactly. yeah. that is that's the risk. right. >> okay. we're going to have to move that one on. but rishi sunak ushers me down the line thatis sunak ushers me down the line that is your fivers in the post. >> well thank you know crucial. crucially i want to know how your party the lib dems got on. i'll be your second biggest council seats. >> i think they did better than the reform party. >> also, i'm sorry, but your

fiver won't buy anything because of the inflation. >> all right right. i'm going to go next and i want to discuss this new teenage tiktok terror that's in town. it's gone from missy to someone called musa raza. the teenage tiktok provocateur with a penchant for pushing the boundaries and testing the patience of everybody. and the authority from buckingham palace to number 10 downing street, he's been making a name for himself by being a prat. sorry, prankster. have a watch of this . i don't have a watch of this. i don't know his name . know his name. >> he's . he's. >> he's. he's. >> look, we've got a real problem on our hands. these kids wanting to actually go viral on tiktok and other apps to actually get the price of fame. i wonder, how do we actually ensure that these kids think the price of fame, of achieving that viral sensation is actually higher than they're willing to pay 7

higher than they're willing to pay ? you've got kids, ben. leo, pay? you've got kids, ben. leo, are you worried that your little ones are going to be trying to get tiktok fame by shoving a police horse, or whatever it is? a guard member of the king's guard? >> i don't mean to sound arrogant, but i i'd like to think that they would never get to that point because i've brought them up properly. i blame the sole blame is on the parents, because these are the people that nurture and look after these children from a young age. they spend the most amount of time with them and they are a product of their environment. and it's the parents fault, i'm afraid. >> but you don't think by the time you're as old as that person, teenager 19 that that 19 of an adult that you are responsible for your own actions and actually you can have the best upbringing in the world and there are still people that mess up. >> that kid is completely responsible for his actions. yes, but he's been brought up in the years prior by parents who we know who probably didn't discipline him properly, didn't say no to him if that was my kid, if that was jude, when he becomes 1516, he'd get a clip round the ear and he wouldn't hear the end of it. i'd like to think maybe i'll leave my words

in 1015 years, but i'd like to think that my kids would never get to that point, because hopefully i've done a good enough job. >> your younger. how old are you again? 24. you're 24. so you're younger than everyone here by some. i'm 18 next week, but, i, i wonder, do you recognise that this is a problem? is this a generational thing? do you think this sort of, desire for likes and follows? yeah, it definitely is. >> i mean, tiktok came about in the years just before lockdown, and i think everyone being at home and looking for that entertainment on their phone, it blew up. yeah. and there are so many teenagers who will just do anything. i mean , missy was terrible. >> he's been apparently he's he's had a he's he's totally changed now. he's a changed man. and i if that is the case i wish him well. but how do we make these kids. do you know what? >> it's another part of living in london. if you choose to live in london. if you choose to live in a hellhole like london, you're choosing for your children to be to be brought up. let me finish my point, please. you're choosing for your children to be brought up with riff raff like this kid. >> but they're the only riff

raff on this panel. >> ben, leo is you. children across the country do things to play up across the country do things to play up to cameras and mess and try and do things which are bad. and actually, one thing i will say is the police handled that little rascal in exactly the right way, and that's about time as well. we need tough policing. this isn't just something which happensin this isn't just something which happens in london, so don't just paint this as a london problem. this happens down on the south coast. two. it happens up in durham. it happens all across the united. >> not really. there's a there's a bigger congregation of scallywags in london. there is elsewhere. it's a culture thing. >> i've never seen this in durham to be honest. >> exactly. there you go, benjamin. >> you like london? is it a. yeah.i >> you like london? is it a. yeah. i don't think this is. >> i really don't think this is a is a geographical problem at all. but i think there is a real problem here because, you know, you might get examples of, of, of alleged criminality which are clearly the most serious end of it. but i think what you've got with the internet, with tiktok, with the internet, with tiktok, with youtube, is a sort of subverting of social norms being monetised. so there is serious

money to be made from this. it is a proper career. it's a lot better paid than many traditional careers. if you're good at it, and you see so many examples where people go up to, you know, strangers in a supermarket or in the street and say something crazy, or they ask what we would consider inappropriate questions. you know, maybe something about someone's romantic life, like an old person. you see so many examples of what is just poor , examples of what is just poor, incredibly poor way to behave. >> more serious than that with the missy, though, because he was, i mean, yes, dogs. he was walking into people's homes. >> exactly. and that's the extreme end. but i think you've got i think these social media platforms are turning social norms upside down because there's a profit in it. and i think that's quite risky. >> anyone remember happy slapping as a as a phenomenon? yeah. how did we actually get rid of that. because i don't i don't hear about it just fizzled out. >> but but i just wonder how much of this we're just seeing more of because of social media versus people used to play pranks, you know, throughout history. and actually this is

just something which young people have always done. but now we see it. but can i just say social media? >> that's the point i'm making. like kids have always been silly or inappropriate , right? but or inappropriate, right? but they would get a clip round the ear or whatever . it wouldn't ear or whatever. it wouldn't benefit them. and also now you have a so now you have a situation where you can behave like that and it benefits you. it makes you money. and i think that's why it's dangerous that goes back to the parenting a you're letting kids access social media from a young age where they're desperate to get their hands on it, and b, you're not teaching them that money isn't the be all and end all. >> fleur, do you agree that actually we should there should be age limits on these things, that actually you shouldn't be able to access smartphones even until you're a certain age? what's the miriam cates 1616. >> yeah. well, i mean , as >> yeah. well, i mean, as a parent, i would definitely attempt to put those limits on for my kids. but i think having making it illegal is pointless because i was on twitter at ten to tweet about justin bieber and how much i loved him, but,

obviously he still does today. i still do. >> we all do, we all do, and i just think kids can bypass these things so easily. i mean, vapes were meant to just be for over 18 and you've got there's a story that there's four year olds in hospital with lung problems. so i don't really see much point in putting legislation. >> again. that's the parents fault. yeah. what kind of so this is a societal issue, isn't it? >> this is this is this is pure parenting. this is a lack of people taking personal responsibility for their offspring being complete terrors. i was going to say something else there, but i don't think ofcom would like that. and, you know, there is a whole host of issues that we've got that are getting way worse. i mean, abby, you've spoken very eloquently in the past about the way in which a sort of hands off approach to parenting is responsible , in large part for responsible, in large part for the sort of knife crime epidemic that we're seeing. they're all linked. >> i think they are all linked.

i think they are all linked. i do think a lot of society's ills nowadays can be put at the foot of poor parenting, and i just worry that we've got to a point where we're too scared to say too many people are bad parents. >> okey doke. right. we're going to have to leave that one there, folks. but let me know what you think. still to come tonight, ben lyle is going to be a pound shop jeremy kyle and ask the unemployed to scrub britain clean. and what do we think about stella creasy's plan to decriminalise abortion? but next, george galloway stands accused of stoking racial division. is there any place for religion within the political sphere? let me know what you think. you're with the saturday five live on

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tonight's topics and for writing on gb news forward.com/your say. diana says ben i which ben i can't see how this is free and fair. i'm incredulous. failure is rewarded. >> yeah, but that's an opinion on the result of london's election. but there's no question mark that it was free and fair. and, you know, it must be the best part of 2 million votes cast. >> rose tinted glasses and keith says, gb news, get over yourself. the people of london have voted for sadiq khan. rishi sunakis have voted for sadiq khan. rishi sunak is based in yorkshire and labour even won there. well, that's i'll be told. and chris says the five of you appear normal with the ability to reason and debate sensibly. how drunk are you? >> hahaha . >> hahaha. >> hahaha. >> but generally we find employing young folk is a disaster. it's a serious point. graduates are just dumb individuals . i mean, that's individuals. i mean, that's that's serious. >> i'm not dumb. >> i'm not dumb. >> well, now though, it's time for our next beat. who's up next? >> regrettably for the viewers , >> regrettably for the viewers, it's me, this week we have

sought and what a long week this has been in politics. right at the start of it, we had the first minister of scotland, humza yousaf, stepping down, which feels like months ago, quite frankly. and we had this question about the snp , question about the snp, politician kate forbes, who's been heavily criticised because of her christian beliefs influencing her politics. she doesn't believe in same sex marriage, she doesn't believe in sex before marriage. and then we had this an extra ordinary interview from the newly recently elected rochdale mp george galloway, in which he criticises gay relationships, being known in school . let's being known in school. let's take a look, my other two school children, are taught in england things that i don't want them to be taught. >> and an age such as to be taught that relations, that gay relationship shapps are exactly the same. and as normal as a

mum, a dad and kids. >> now, i think it's pretty outrageous. and it's definitely outdated to think that people shouldn't know that gay relationships exist. i mean, i know that george galloway is very committed to his wife. at the first one, the second one, the first one, the second one, the third one, and now the fourth one, i always find it odd when you get these people that are in happy marriages, many happy marriages, in his case, who say they oppose the rights of same sex marriage. you know, it seems ridiculous when most of them have been having the same sex for decades. and so the question i want to ask is, is it valid if he's doing that? because his voters are largely muslim, which are more conservative? and kate forbes is doing it because it's her sincerely held christian belief? is that good enough to shape how they run countries now, darren, you're committed and religious. what do you make of this? >> well, look, i just i think the comparison between galloway

and what he's managing to do to stoke divisions and religious sectarianism within britain is completely you cannot compare that with kate forbes, kate forbes saying, oh, i'm anti—abortion , right. she said anti—abortion, right. she said that. did she say that she would legislate in that way? no. she wouldn't, i just i just think you're but i think massively underpaid legislate in that way ehhen >> well he certainly wants to elect a hell of a lot of muslims who i assume don't share the views of the current, lord of politicians on things like abortion, for example. >> i doubt they'd be with stella creasy on, decriminalising abortion, which we'll get on to later on. but i think you want to play it. benjamin and i wanted to play two clips from today , just to really highlight today, just to really highlight that point and make clear that i think you're wrong to highlight the christianity point, because i don't think that's the problem here. voice of palestine, i mean, hello , hello . mean, hello, hello. >> this is a clear message to

starmer, bradford has rejected laboun starmer, bradford has rejected labour. it's rejected zionism . labour. it's rejected zionism. and this is a message to you, russia and imran hussain, we are coming for you in the general election anyway . zionism election anyway. zionism >> so labour enabled people like that. that man tony blair were said come one, come all and people like that are now entrenched and emboldened . and entrenched and emboldened. and that's much more serious than anything kate forbes says as a christian, i mean, look, first of all, those people are, you know, hate the labour party. >> they certainly hate keir starmer. that's evident in some of the local election results. but george galloway said he was going to sweep rochdale in the council elections. labour won 44 seats and he won two. so i don't think they're anything like as dangerous as they expected. but look, let me say this and most people on the left won't say this, but radical islam and people whose interpretation of islam is to say that being gay is wrong and who take it among them on themselves to appoint

themselves as community leaders and then try and intimidate teachers, like in batley or in birmingham, is not acceptable. and it frustrates me. and here's where you might disagree, because you get these people who will say that's unacceptable, when that won't say it's unacceptable and a muslim leader comes out with homophobic remarks. but they will accept it when a christian does because it's culturally more acceptable. benjamin, sorry, i think it's wrong for both of them. >> you support this, you enable this . you support open borders this. you support open borders and uncontrolled mass migration . and uncontrolled mass migration. and yet that's not the question. let me finish. no, no, let me finish. well it's not and yet you come on the show week after week and you complain rightly about anti—jewish chants at palestine marches. you complain about, muslims or george galloway talking about homosexual relationships, yet you support these kind of people coming into our society and changing the fabric of it. so i have which way do you want it? >> okay, well hang on, first of all, i have lots of muslim friends who don't take those views. it's not homogenous. many

of them do. but look, you know, fleur, i know i think you answered the question quite socially conservative. well i want well, we've not got all night. i know you're on. i know you're on air ten hours a day. >> fleur isn't. >> fleur isn't. >> i just have, right. what do you think it's valid for someone to bring their religious views into their political decisions? >> well, i was actually going to ask you, do you think that we should only have secular politicians? >> i think i, i think the idea that you justify policies that affect the masses based on your religious beliefs is wrong, but we all have a right to our own beliefs and our own opinions, whether that's religion or comes from somewhere else, like liberalism or something like that. >> so it would be dishonest to yourself if you were elected. when people know that you're a christian or know that you're a muslim and you don't act on your own beliefs, that's just dishonest and anti—democratic. >> what do you think, alby? i i do not think that your religion should mean that you vote against extending the right of marriage or extending the right of adoption to a particular group of people . group of people. >> i don't agree with that

whatsoever. i completely understand that there are religious people in politics, but there are plenty of religious politicians who would not vote against same sex marriage, for example. and i just find it interesting that i think for some social conservatives , they feel a lot conservatives, they feel a lot more comfortable with someone like kate forbes or jacob like kate forbes orjacob rees—mogg expressing their opinions on abortion or on same sex marriage. but if it was a muslim politician , i think muslim politician, i think they'd probably have an issue with it. and that's where i find the hypocrisy. it's that for one religion, well, because it's culturally understandable in the west, that's fine. but for another religion, because it's not culturally understandable, that's not fine. i mean, what i would say, though, is that actually there's no getting away from gay relationships these days. >> i mean, you turn on the telly. >> well, you seem to get away from them as well. >> i do. but you turn on the telly and there's a gay relationship there. all the time. i mean, look, you turn on the saturday five and there's enough of them there as well. but anyway, we're going to have to move on because coming up, to

be clear, we're not in a relationship should i did not mean to suggest that at all. should unemployed people have to pick up litter? ben, leo's out there with a whip. but next, mp stella creasy wants to decriminalise all abortion. is she right ? decriminalise all abortion. is she right? you're decriminalise all abortion. is she right ? you're with the she right? you're with the saturday five live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. your emails have just made ben leo space water out all over the floor. steve says 35 years ago, i worked in london and it was a dump. even then, certain areas you locked yourself in the van when travelling through someone used to tell me that going through brixton you needed bullet proof glass . david says. bullet proof glass. david says. the big lie is that there are non—religious individuals. everyone believes in something. the scientific method should be appued the scientific method should be applied to the no god hypothesis , i mean, i don't know what your

ideology is yourself . but ideology is yourself. but anyway, moving on to our next debate . debate. >> tony blair is god. oh. oh, good. who wants to go next? >> right. that's me. so stella creasy has tabled an amendment to the criminal justice bill, which would make some extreme , which would make some extreme, adjustments to the abortion legislation. this would include sex selective abortion becoming legal abortion for any reason up to birth , not having to have two to birth, not having to have two qualified doctors approve your abortion, not having to have a qualified doctor oversee it, and it being able to be, happen in any place. so i think that these are very dangerous for women and unborn babies. >> but, so just just before we start, stella creasy is the labour mp who feels the need to bnng labour mp who feels the need to bring her baby into parliament and performatively breastfeed in parliament, despite the fact she gets paid 90 k a year and can probably afford. is that the

same? that's a crashing parliament. is that is that the same mp who, tweeted saying that she was very jealous of everyone who was going to staff christmas parties whilst she had to go and pick up her child from nursery. >> i think stella creasy has said some very silly things, but i don't recognise the description of what you have, said stella wants to do. my understanding is that stella creasy wants to decriminalise abortion up until 24 weeks, which is essentially the current process that we have at the moment, because actually , what moment, because actually, what she argues is that actually with the legislation that we have at the legislation that we have at the moment, the original law, which still criminalises abortion back from 1861, i believe is actually still on the statute book, and there are exemptions that currently allow women to get an abortion up to 24 weeks. so what stella creasy wants to do is just scrap that law . law. >> so she she wants to remove the what's wrong with that? >> and it's actually that is the current case law in northern

ireland. she wants to extend that across the uk. so i'm she wants why would you be against that. >> she wants to remove the requirement to get a doctor's approval. right. yeah. so abortions for everyone . don't abortions for everyone. don't consult a doctor if you're pregnant. you don't want it. that's what it is. >> what you're saying is that they're removing the checks that are necessary to protect. obviously, there are serious complications of further along. you are there are serious complications to the mother's health. and you can actually risk life. it goes up by eight percentage points that are off the scale. the longer you leave it. >> this is the lower northern ireland. >> are you saying it's more unsafe to get an abortion in northern ireland than in england? >> i do say that yes, i do say that, absolutely. and actually, what medical groups coming forward saying that we are putting women's health at risk by allowing this to happen, that actually we're going to see women put themselves in really perilous positions if this goes ahead, what's wrong with having it as it is right now? and by the way, we have some of the

most well, actually the most liberal abortion limits in the whole of europe. and it's not not often i compare myself to europe or my country to europe, but i don't see why we need to actually take away the checks that are necessary to protect the woman and, and actually to ensure that the baby isn't. imagine if you have half an abortion and you're you're doing it in your own house after popping a it in your own house after popping a pill. >> this happens because pills by post was introduced during lockdown, meant to be a temporary measure, as were many things , and 7% of women who have things, and 7% of women who have at home abortions end up in hospital because not everything has come out. and this is , you has come out. and this is, you know, i've heard testimonies of people that have had them and said, it's excruciatingly painful, traumatic, very traumatic . and do you support abortion? >> no. well this is my issue with a lot of this debate. is actually it's not it's not about it's not about whether or not we should decriminalise abortion up to 24 weeks. you actually just

think we should scrap abortion. >> that's my personal opinion. but what about. but i'm taking a moderate stance here. you're not of. well okay. do you think it's okay to have sex selective abortion ? abortion? >> i think that women should have the right to do what they want with their bodies, without it being policed in a way that men's bodies are. >> you think you should have? >> you think you should have? >> no, i don't, but that's not what this wants to introduce. no it's not, no it's not, it is. it's not. i've read what stella creasy i've read what stella creasy i've read what stella creasy said. there was there was. right now, if a woman has a stillbirth, there has to be a criminal investigation. i mean, thatis criminal investigation. i mean, that is despicable . there is that is despicable. there is despicable. there was a 15 year old girl who suffered a stillbirth, which is a medically and personally deeply difficult thing to experience. and she was subjected to a one year investigation by police until they identified that had been sorry, it wouldn't have been the idea that a teenager who'd got in that terribly difficult situation was then put before the threat of being criminalised is totally wrong. it is not

about medicalizing the process. ihave about medicalizing the process. i have a friend who does, who signs off abortions for women and he has said no on occasion when he's when it's been early in the process and he's thought they're not mentally prepared to make that decision, i think that's fine. what it's saying is that's fine. what it's saying is that you don't. when a woman makes that decision, they don't need a police officer at the doon need a police officer at the door. they need a counsellor and supporter. >> so do you in the same context, then do you think it's wrong and horrible for social services to investigate when a child has bruises on their body, for example, if the parents are , for example, if the parents are, well, that's completely different. >> no, it's not to a woman facing police action for having an abortion. and i think it is a deeply antiquated that we still have that as as the case in this country. >> these are checks and balances to ensure all is well and good. what does a law you can't claim 60 being on the. there's a reason it stayed on the statute. >> no no no no. >> we also have the abolition of slavery. do you want to bring that back. should we say we aboush that back. should we say we abolish that back in the 1800s? should we bring that back?

>> here we go. yes. let's bring back slaves . is that what you back slaves. is that what you wanted me to say? >> it's an old law. it's an old. such a silly level of debate. law. >> such a silly level. >> such a silly level. >> old laws must go all old laws. let's get rid of them. but the fact is that. let's bring them. but hang on, the protectorate. >> you know when laws about how women's bodies were treated, they weren't allowed to vote for decades. until after that, we've clearly moved on substantially. and women and i think called for this. >> apart from an abortion, extremists on your side of the party, an abortion is a medical and probably mental health decision for that person. >> it should not be a criminal decision. and i think that is the right way to do it. the idea afterwards, yes . the idea that afterwards, yes. the idea that someone who has been through hell, who maybe has suffered a stillbirth, then has to sit in a police station and be interrogated, they're not that's not morally wrong . i don't. it not morally wrong. i don't. it is exactly how it works. that's one of the examples that this labour mp gave, and the fact that you claim to believe in a small state, but think the state should be able to dictate what a

person does with their body is wrong and hypocritical. >> i don't believe people should have free will to just terminate children in the womb whenever they fancy. >> i'm not surprised you don't because it's never going to affect you. ben >> that's right, only 1. >> that's right, only 1. >> oh, never affect you. you haven't got kids and you're not a woman yet. you have the biggest voice about it. >> we're going to ask andrea jenkyns, mp, whether these disastrous local election results spell trouble for rishi sunak. but next, should the unemployed be made to pick up litter and do other work within the

gb news. welcome back to the saturday. five emails are flying in and your messages to gbnews.com/yoursay david says good evening. david. when benjamin butterworth said that religion has no place in politics, does he include the woke religion in that analysis? yeah. tony blair's his messiah . yeah. tony blair's his messiah. and maggie says, stella creasy is so wrong . this means there

is so wrong. this means there can be abortion right up to birth for any reason. this means fully formed, viable babies will be killed. now it's time for our next debate. up next, it's ben, and, he's got an idea for the unemployed. >> yes . so we know there's nine, >> yes. so we know there's nine, maybe 8 million. economically inactive people in this country. lots of people , such as our good lots of people, such as our good friend here, benjamin butterworth, who hasn't had a properjob in his life, a great idea in warsaw , the west idea in warsaw, the west midlands, the local council there have said that perhaps these people , whilst they're these people, whilst they're looking for work and they're able to not including those who are incapacity, of course, should get out and scrub britain clean, litter picking, mowing pubuc clean, litter picking, mowing public lawns , cleaning graffiti, public lawns, cleaning graffiti, painting old buildings . public lawns, cleaning graffiti, painting old buildings. i think, guys, this is a great idea to get people off their backsides, off their sofas. stop watching loose women . loose women. >> i love loose women. >> i love loose women. >> actually, i know you do. that's why we need to get you out on the streets litter picking. i think it would be a

great way to motivate the unemployed to get back into work, get back into society and do something productive for yourself. >> well, you mentioned 8 million inactive, economically inactive. most of those, i'm afraid, are not young people are not unemployed. they are in their 50s and 60s. and they took a pension payout to retire early. so unless you're going to tell 55 year olds to go and pick litter, i've got a feeling that won't be very popular. >> people like you. >> people like you. >> well, look, i mean, the question. well, look, first of all, i have several jobs, so. and i've worked since i was 16 when i was a cold caller. so i've done i've been even more annoying to the public than being a leftie on gb news. what i would say is that, you know, i think this dehumanise is people who come in unemployed. it does not mean they're a scrounger, it doesn't mean they're lazy. >> no one's calling them scroungers. >> it might well mean that they need help. they might need if they have long term sickness, long term mental health issues . long term mental health issues. i think the state should help those people. >> the state do help them by paying >> the state do help them by paying them universal credit. and why is it such an awful idea to say if you're on universal credit and you're fit and able ,

credit and you're fit and able, go out and do something for your community. why would you be? >> look how scruffy some of our local towns are. seaside towns. i live in a seaside town and infamously in this country. seaside towns are, you know, very neglected. there's all sorts of work that needs doing around my neck of the woods. benjamin i thought you were talking about your neck of the woods being the nicest place in the country. it's full of nice people, albie, but not not of the london ilhc. so we can put high viz on you, benjamin. give you a little picker stick and you a little picker stick and you can get to work. >> look, i just think it's incredibly condescending. and actually, let's look at the proper question. would this help someone get a job? well, no. you know, if they're sat there, you know, if they're sat there, you know, picking up your crisp packets right from your lunch, then are they actually helping to get a job and to help the economy? >> they'd be in the fresh air, out and about, meeting people. good morning. hi, dave. how are you? i've got a great opportunity for you. >> and i think actually, people need a sense of purpose. so a sense of giving back to society that's funding your ability to be unemployed and receive welfare as a safety net. you're given back to the society that's given back to the society that's given you that gift. and i think

that's a really important thing. that's missing currently from actual society, which is people don't feel any connection or greater sense of self—worth. do you think it would actually be successful? >> yeah , definitely. i mean, if >> yeah, definitely. i mean, if you say to people say we will stop your universal credit unless you are contributing to your country, not economically, but by cleaning it up , then but by cleaning it up, then yeah, we would have motivated people to a cleaner country and it would probably give these people the idea of either i don't want to be spending my days picking litter and cleaning things, so i want to go and get a job or hey, do you know what? i actually like working with people, getting out in the morning up and doing something. i'd like to get a job that's a really good point. >> actually, i would argue. i'm just guessing here. i've got no evidence to back it up, but i'm guessing that a lot of these people who are unemployed probably feel a bit isolated and unsure and unconfident about how to get back in to society, how to get back in to society, how to meet people again. they've probably got stuck in a rut, so treating them like a criminal, like they were, you know, like

paris hilton in an orange jumpsuit. >> i really don't think that's going to help them. right? you know, you need to give people a sense of humanity, a sense of value, a sense of being worth something. >> welcome back to the community. >> a lot of these people that are long term sick, they don't believe or long term unemployed, i should say they don't believe that they can do it. they need support not to be dehumanised. >> but this is what this is what this kind of scheme would do. you would encourage people back into society. you'd help them get set up. you need a push? yeah, exactly. >> that's what i think a push for the highest unemployment rate is under 25, which is your generation. >> do you have friends that you think are lazy or. this would help? >> no. all of my friends are employed, but just from durham. >> we're all employed. >> we're all employed. >> yeah. everyone's everyone the pause of not knowing where that was going, but yeah, we're not down the mines anymore. but there's so many small businesses . i think it's huge in the north east, which you don't see as much, but do you think there are do you think there is? i mean, i'm not saying i think this, but a lot of people would say the younger you get, the lazier

people are, the less the more work shy they are. do you think there's any truth? >> i mean, definitely my generation have a different work ethic. i mean, they've been infantilized, right? well, i saw a video about a gen z employer who allows her staff to come into the office at 10 am. no dress code if they want to have netflix film on in the background, that's fine as long as they're getting the work done. i'm not quite sure how productive that would actually be, but if it works for her company, then you've just described benjamin butterworth . described benjamin butterworth. >> i type a lot later than 10 am. all right. >> still to come on the show, andrea jenkyns mp, conservative mp. she will kindly join us to give her verdict on the local election results. and i'll be going head to head with alby on whether we should legalise cannabis. you're watching the saturday five live on gb news. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news.

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gb news. >> it's saturday night. and you're back with the saturday five. you're back with the saturday five.thank you're back with the saturday five. thank you very much for your company. i'm darren grimes, along with albie amankona fleur east and ben leo and benjamin butterworth. plenty more to come

tonight, including dame andrea jenkyns, mp , on the local jenkyns, mp, on the local election results. she's not going to be holding back and i'll be going head to head with my old pal alby and try to show him how ludicrous it would be to legalise cannabis. he must be on the stuff at 7 pm. and this is the stuff at 7 pm. and this is the saturday five. plus, in bunch of five new tiktok sensation kim jong un of nonh tiktok sensation kim jong un of north korea. and should we ditch messaging people on dating apps and pick up the phone instead ? and pick up the phone instead? we're going to find out what benjamin butterworth's into. and we'll also be answering your questions in ask the five. send them through to gbnews.com/yoursay but before all that, it's your saturday night news with sam francis .

night news with sam francis. >> darren, thank you very much and good evening to you. it's just after 7:00. our top story tonight, sadiq khan has said it is now time for the prime minister to call a general election. that's after he won the london election for a historic third term. this, though, was the moment that he was heckled and booed as he started his acceptance speech. thank you . london home called london. >> cornhill, london. >> cornhill, london. >> well, sadiq khan beat his nearest rival , conservative nearest rival, conservative candidate susan hall, in a contest that's been full of criticism over mr khan's decision to expand the capital's ultra low emission zone. however, mr khan insists he's keeping positive units who inspire me every day to continue our mission of building a fairer, safer and greener london and in what i hope will be a year of great change, a future labour government led by keir

starmer, working with us in city hall will mean we can go much further and accomplish so much more . labour's also celebrating more. labour's also celebrating successes in liverpool , in south successes in liverpool, in south yorkshire and in west yorkshire in greater manchester. two andy burnham was re—elected today. he picked up just over 63% of the vote there and said he'll always give his best to the job. >> i'm overwhelmed, so have so many people prepared to put their trust in me? is overwhelming . it's humbling, and overwhelming. it's humbling, and i recognise that people who vote for other parties at a general election of lent me their support. and it's why i will be very , very rigid in taking very, very rigid in taking a place first rather than a party first approach. seems to me that that's what the role of the mayor is all about, bringing people together , you know, get people together, you know, get everybody pulling in the same direction for a great city region like this one. and that's what i will be doing . what i will be doing. >> let's take a quick look at the results so far in those

local elections across england . local elections across england. if you're watching on tv, you can see here the latest figures to us labour now gaining control of eight councils. they've hit 50 in total . the liberal 50 in total. the liberal democrats, meanwhile, have won more council seats overall than the conservatives. and in the west midlands , the mayoral race west midlands, the mayoral race remains tight for the conservative candidate andy street, and we understand a recount of the ballots is currently underway. there in other news, the family of daniel anjorin say they are devastated after he was killed while he made his way to school in london on tuesday. the 14 year old, who's been described by his family as loving and precious, was attacked by a man with a samurai sword in hainault. four other people, including two police officers, were also injured. marcus monzo , a spanish injured. marcus monzo, a spanish brazilian dual national, was charged with murdering the teenager and appeared at westminster magistrates court earlier this week . more than 20

earlier this week. more than 20 dogs have been seized tonight after police raided a suspected illegal xl bully breeding farm in sheffield. 16 of the animals are being looked after in police kennels after they were discovered in what officers described as appalling conditions . sadly, those six conditions. sadly, those six other dogs were so unwell that they had to be put to sleep. the breed was added to a banned list in october last year following a series of attacks. however campaigners argue that the ban is unlawful and they've called it irrational . is unlawful and they've called it irrational. tens of is unlawful and they've called it irrational . tens of thousands it irrational. tens of thousands of homes in east sussex will remain without water until at least tomorrow, after a pipe burst . southern water says the burst. southern water says the disruption in saint leonards on sea and in hastings started on thursday. the firm, though , says thursday. the firm, though, says it is working tirelessly to get suppues it is working tirelessly to get supplies back and for residents there say it's been a disaster. pro—palestinian students are continuing their protests at university campuses across the uk following violent

demonstrations in the us. sit in camps and anti—israel banners have been set up at some universities in protest against israel's war with hamas students in bristol, in leeds, manchester, newcastle and in sheffield are currently camping out in tents at their campus buildings. in those protests , buildings. in those protests, and finally, dozens of migrants in two small boats have crossed the channel today . footage the channel today. footage captured the moment that a french vessel followed the boats until reaching english waters. the passengers most of whom were men, were taken on board a british border force vessel off the coast of dover. it brings the coast of dover. it brings the total number of people arriving in the uk so far this year to more than 8300, a new record for that period . that's record for that period. that's the latest from the newsroom for now. for more, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code on your screen or go to gb news .com/ alerts. now, though, it's back to the saturday five.

>> it's saturday night and you with the saturday five, i'm darren grimes and i can promise that you're in for yet another very lively hour. let's crack on with tonight's big interview. and we're returning to this week's local election results. and while there are plenty of ways to look at the numbers, one thing seems to be clear it's not. been a great week for the tories. even albie amankona admits that the conservatives have lost over 400 council seats, while labour won the blackpool south by—election on a huge swing of 26. time for the tories to call an election or maybe even change leader. well, here to discuss this one is dame andrea jenkins , the tory mp for andrea jenkins, the tory mp for morley and outwood. good evening andrea. thank you very much for your company as ever. andrea, i want to know your reaction to andy street, the vote in the west midlands. there been a recount for the mayoralty there.

and actually, it being we're being told that it's very close and that andy could indeed lose . and that andy could indeed lose. do you think actually this suggests that rishi sunak has completely failed? >> look, i think, the whole local election and mayoral elections are by—election. there's one simple message. the british public are fed up. they couldn't even be bothered to go out and vote. and they're sending a clear message . they sending a clear message. they don't feel that they've been listened to. so there has got to be a major shake—up and major changes. darren. >> yeah . i mean, do you think, >> yeah. i mean, do you think, andrea i'm going to be blunt. do you think this would have happened if boris johnson was still prime minister no, i mean, ibons still prime minister no, i mean, i boris had an amazing way of connecting with the public, and this is why i said, actually , on this is why i said, actually, on one of your gb news shows, yesterday that i would, bring bofis yesterday that i would, bring boris back , and make sure he's

boris back, and make sure he's front and centre of , the general front and centre of, the general election campaign. i'd give him a chance to have a seat as well, because i think it's evident now , as you know, darren, i was one of the first to put my letters in, last november. but colleagues, are not shifting on this, whatsoever, and so i think that we've got to be pragmatic. we need to actually take the fight now to labour, because, i mean, we've seen in some of these seats, to i mean, we should have won the, the north yorkshire mayoral campaign. yeah, and i understand it wasn't the best, election campaign though, but that's by the, by, and for labour to win in seats like this because people are disenfranchised, it's quite frankly, it's frightening. and so i think we need to take the fight back, now to labour because to me they are just like the snp , the two sides of the the snp, the two sides of the same coin and all this fake patriotism of putting flags

everywhere and putting flags in old posters of trains, trying to make it romanticise what they are like . but we all know what are like. but we all know what socialists are like. they're going to bankrupt the country, they, we know what starmer's like regarding the eu, we've seen this week what they said, what they will do with illegal migration. and it's a danger now. so i would like to also somehow i don't know how we're going to do this, darren, but we need to re—engage the right together. that includes farage. that includes the reform party . that includes the reform party. we cannot have a labour government. they will destroy our country. >> andrea, before i bring in the others, i just want to ask you a question of a topic that we've been raising on this very show, which is the rise of religious sectarianism , now in parts of sectarianism, now in parts of the world, some parts very near to where you are right now, that thatis to where you are right now, that that is becoming a real electoral problem , for the electoral problem, for the labour party. do you see this becoming more serious? >> yes. i mean , i don't know if

>> yes. i mean, i don't know if you saw i tweeted a video yesterday in leeds. >> wasn't it. was it in leeds? >> wasn't it. was it in leeds? >> yeah. yeah i mean i wasn't there, i had surgeries but i got sent it from the count. now i, l, sent it from the count. now i, i, you know was told people came in and started flying the palestinian flag. but it's actually it was activist parts of one of the councillors who won and, there was all cheering and, and waving the palestinian flag and my understanding is today, digging deeper, speaking today, digging deeper, speaking to people who was at the count, there was a jewish chap there. it was threatened because, there was walking around the count, quite for a few hours, wrapped in the flags. and i'm sorry, but, you know, we shouldn't have our jewish but, you know, we shouldn't have ourjewish community but, you know, we shouldn't have our jewish community feeling threatened like this. >> yeah. do you feel threatened as an mp, andrea? >> well, i mean , the thing is, i >> well, i mean, the thing is, i mean, do i feel threatened as an mp? mean, do i feel threatened as an mp7 i think i'd be mean, do i feel threatened as an mp? i think i'd be lying if i said every mp doesn't feel threatened. i mean, look at the email. i got just a few weeks

ago, which said about my seven year old son and, and the want us to be killed him and i by hamas. so, you know, i've got cctv on my home, darren and i can't say that we do mps. we don't feel uncomfortable and feel threatened. of course we do. but but we cannot be silenced by anybody. darren. this is about sticking up for british values. this is about, i mean, there's no tolerance. and it's a two tier policing system. why is it right for one group to behave in another way, but not right for another group? i'm sick of it, darren. and we've got to put a stop to this. >> well, i agree, and, andrea, if there's one thing i know about you, it's that you're not going to be easily silenced. but i want to bring in albie amankona. >> now, andrea, you're not the only mp that's recently spoken up about the threats that they face. you know, my friend steve baker recently uploaded a video of him being basically harassed on the streets in buckinghamshire. do you think it isfime buckinghamshire. do you think it is time now that mps had 24 hour

security following them around all the time ? all the time? >> sorry my puppy is chasing girls chasing around the room , i girls chasing around the room, i think that. no, no, i don't because the threat is not there constant and can you imagine that cost of taxpayers money? i think we need to be more vigilant, but i think that the right . are you okay for one right. are you okay for one second? can you talk honestly? >> absolutely . we're going to >> absolutely. we're going to bnng >> absolutely. we're going to bring ben leo in whilst the puppies. play mischief loudly. >> it's not hamas causing problems. it's the puppets a puppy, problems. it's the puppets a puppy, thankfully. >> thankfully, we've all been there with a naughty pet , there with a naughty pet, haven't we? yes, absolutely. >> i just wanted to ask andrea of course, what mps are experiencing is awful and the scenes we've had of, you know, at that count of people. andrea, you're back with us. good evening. it's ben. leo. hope you're well. ben. just commenting on that video we saw a bit earlier about the, the muslim voters and the candidates screaming allah akbar at the count and so on. it's not nice scenes , however, may i say and

scenes, however, may i say and ask respectfully and point out respectfully, it's your party who has allowed this to flourish over the last 14 years. >> i but i also think that, i think it's not just our party. this has been going on since since blair's time. and it's institutionalised. it's through every universe . it's through every universe. it's through every universe. it's through every school, it's through every level of public service. and it's now even, gone into the into the private sector. now, this fear of speaking out and calling people out if they are a minority group, calling out bad behaviour. so this i'm afraid it's been in ingrained for the last probably 2 or 3 decades. and it's time to fight back because this this is not on. we cannot have people silence . we cannot have people silence. we cannot have people silence. we cannot have people being threatened. so i think unfortunately , it's not just unfortunately, it's not just down to one government. this is consecutive governments . and consecutive governments. and it's now time to be brave and to fight back. actually >> all right, benjamin butterworth here. nice to talk

with you again , in blackpool with you again, in blackpool south, the by—election, the tories were almost in third place, only 100 votes ahead of reform uk. what kind of threat do you think reform poses to traditional tory voters, and do you think looking at that pretty shocking result, that the tories should have some kind of pact in some seats with reform uk , well, some seats with reform uk, well, first of all, let's look at the results . it was such a low results. it was such a low turnout and even labour, if look compared to 2019 figures, even labour lost 2000 votes in that election because of the low turnout . ourselves, the turnout. ourselves, the conservative, we lost 13,000 votes and reform only gained 1000 votes. clearly, conservative voters stayed at home. but i think the fact that reform didn't do only gained, you know, 1000 votes and only, did around 3000 votes, i think that it demonstrates that, it's highly unlikely that they're going to elect mps , especially going to elect mps, especially given our first past the post

electoral system. but it's certainly going to hand things to labour. so, i mean, i think even, we could be radical. let's have, you know, let's have mps standing as conservative and reform candidates, wow. >> so, so you would like. >> so, so you would like. >> well, i stood against ed balls, who was the labour and the co—operative. you know why we need to be radical? because i want to beat these socialists. i don't want to see keir starmer with his fake patriotism in number 10. and. and i'm angry and i'm fighting back now and i'll do whatever it takes now. and i want to see the party and the prime minister doing the same. >> so looking at what's happened, you think that if the, you know, reform probably aren't going to get mps, you say that, but they might stop tory mps being returned . so you think being returned. so you think there should be an agreement in those scenarios where that could happen with reform and the tories ? yes, definitely. tories? yes, definitely. >> yeah. but i mean, i'm not saying the party will do that, but this is just one of my

suggestions, as one of my many suggestions, as one of my many suggestions for what it's worth. all right. but but but why not? we need to unite the right. we've seen the left and the left is splintered now because of, you know, the muslim vote, going elsewhere or, voting for fringe parties. we've seen galloway this week saying he's going to put a candidate in every in every seat. it's going to get very dirty, isn't it? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> flo, what would you like to ask andrea, you've got a question, you're champing at the bit. >> well, we've just been discussing the. stella creasy's, amendments. the criminal justice bill and they've announced the date for the vote will be the 15th of may. so will you be voting against these extreme measures completely? >> oh, my gosh, i'm a mother. and i think it's awful. i do think it's murdering a child. i'm sorry, but i do. and and to me, i think our british laws are too liberal on abortion . i put too liberal on abortion. i put it down to 12 weeks. you know,

when you have your first scan, you see if the baby's okay. i put it down to 12 weeks. personally, i understand it's going to be a free vote, and we can vote with our conscience. and i'll certainly be doing that. >> de—man one quick question from me again, ben. have you spoken to boris in recent days , spoken to boris in recent days, ispoke spoken to boris in recent days, i spoke to him, last week. and i often exchange not since the results . no, no, it's been a mad results. no, no, it's been a mad few days , so i haven't, i'm afraid. >> all right, andrea, we'll leave it there. thank you very much for your time giving up your saturday evening. that's dame andrea jenkyns there right now . so, well, i thought we now. so, well, i thought we covered quite a lot of ground there. >> she's one of the last few remaining conservatives in the conservative party and the party was full of more people like her. >> i'm assuming that you're you were sort of wanting to climb up the wall when she mentioned a pact with reform , do i think the pact with reform, do i think the tories in a pact with. no, i don't think the tories need a pact with reform. are you lucky? what i think the conservatives

need to do is talk about the record that rishi sunak has in a more positive and unifying way, and we need to get behind the prime minister and stop all of this silly infighting, because i think, okay, you have a patch with reform, but then you just irritate all the one nation conservatives and then that might cause as many losses as you would get gains from the one nafion you would get gains from the one nation conservatives need to leave. >> they're the problem, not reform. all right. because they're not conservatives. >> but can i just say there you have someone who is a senior mp in recent times in the tory party saying that they need to team up with an opposition party. i think that's quite a remarkable statement and it shows the depth of division in the tory party. >> okey doke, folks, it's time for the latest great british giveaway now and your chance to win the biggest cash prize of the year so far. it's a whopping £20,000. imagine what you could do with all of that extra cash. here's how you could win it all. >> it's the biggest cash prize we've given away to date. an

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will the co—op live arena ever get up and running ? will the co—op live arena ever get up and running? but will the co—op live arena ever get up and running ? but next, get up and running? but next, the tedious but necessary business of debunk ing another crazy albie amankona belief. we'll go head to head on whether we should legalise cannabis in the saturday scrap here with the saturday five live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always. thank you very much for your comments about tonight's topics. alex has messaged about our unemployment discussion, and alex says ask them what they actually want and not what jobs are available. i imagine a lot of them are saying content creators and actors or whatever, but some will choose sensible ideas. say that if you come up with something good, i will fund it. >> life doesn't work like that. you think you can't. you can't just jump into your chosen

profession and then off you go away with the fairies. >> i mean, to be fair, boris johnson did massively inflate the size of the state, so there was a lot more people who've had random jobs funded. >> all right. alistair says, the reasons younger people become lazier is because as technology develops, life becomes easier. so we're either accept the gradual change or stop all forms of technological development. do we need to just turn off the plugs of the internet? is that sounds a bit drastic? >> i think i wouldn't want to go back to the dark ages. i like my i like my luxuries in life. i've got to say, well, now it's time for this. >> yes, it's time for tonight's main event. ding ding ding or those bells. alby keeps lining up in these saturday scraps, but i'm not sure he's actually won one yet. and that's not about to change tonight as he attempts to justify the legalisation of cannabis . he justify the legalisation of cannabis. he must be out of his mind. and it must be all that skunk stuff. the smell of it is

just enough to put me off. i tell you what. seconds out for round one, alby, kick us off if we think about all of the time that we spend on gb news talking about the problems with crime that we have in this country, and the thousands of hours that police have to spend administrating this ridiculous law that criminalises a substance such as cannabis and marijuana, which is smoked around the world in countries like the netherlands, in countries like the united states of america , where people can go of america, where people can go and buy this, it's taxed by the government , regulated by the government, regulated by the government, regulated by the government, and people can smoke it in the same way that we drink alcohol. >> but in this country, we have this ridiculous law, which means the police are spending all of these hours, thousands of man hours investigating crimes associated with cannabis when they could actually be out there locking up people who are thieving, locking up rapists , thieving, locking up rapists, locking up, locking up murderers, people who cause things like assault. my point is, it is a complete waste of

police time to be administrating the law of cannabis being illegal, when we know that in countries that we are allies with, that we are culturally similar to, they've legalised cannabis and there have been none of the problems that people like darren claim that there will be. >> well, i've got absolutely nothing to do with those weed smoking crazies , cyclists in smoking crazies, cyclists in bloody holland. >> but i would, i would going back to that police point that you made the police in durham, for example, said years ago that they wouldn't be investigating cannabis related crimes anymore , cannabis related crimes anymore, more because, well, they de facto decriminalised it. so i don't think we have actually been policing or enforcing the law when it comes to growing cannabis. and actually selling it on the marketplace. secondly, i think that there are suggestions that this can be a gateway drug. you start , you gateway drug. you start, you relax by saying, oh, i'm going to break the law a little bit here. the next minute you're

going on to really quite hard and really sinister drugs . i and really sinister drugs. i think this is a step in stone to madness. i think to do this would be to unleash a torrent of, of these kinds of calls for decriminalisation of absolutely everything, you know, in wales, where there are obviously a lot of people who used to work in heavy labour industries, they are perhaps addicted to things like morphine that leads them to go on to things like heroin . i'm go on to things like heroin. i'm talking about heroin and other hard drugs. this cannabis is a gateway to hard drugs , alcohol. gateway to hard drugs, alcohol. name me one person that's had a dnnk name me one person that's had a drink and thought, do you know what i really need? heroin. drugs are entirely different. drugs are entirely different. drugs are. >> i know plenty of people who think after a drink of alcohol that they'll go and do an illegal drug that is my point. and what i'm saying is, darren is, did you think that rishi sunak smoking ban was a good or a bad idea? >> i thought it was a bad idea.

>> i thought it was a bad idea. >> so for the same reasons that you think rishi sunak smoking ban is a bad idea, i think the criminalisation of cannabis is a badidea criminalisation of cannabis is a bad idea because prohibition has never worked. and the reason that i think people should be to free smoke is because people should have the individual responsibility vie the personal autonomy, autonomy to make decisions about what they put in their bodies. >> so let's legalise heroin. whether or not that is a good thing, let's legalise that is a bad thing and that is why i believe that both the smoking ban is wrong and also the cannabis ban is. so let's legalise heroin. >> i'm not saying we should. >> i'm not saying we should. >> you just said it should be your own personal choice. >> i'm talking about freedom to the max, not to the max. but i'm saying if you think that tobacco should be allowed to be smoked, then why not allow something which is actually less harmful than tobacco to be smoked? cannabis less harmful. >> the number of people. i've never heard of anyone smoking cigarettes and then saying that they've got mental health disorders. the argument paranoia of this, these horrible, smelly, disgusting drugs, the problem with actually banning these things is that it's never

actually been tried. i don't agree with you at all that prohibition has been put in place. we basically de facto decriminalised drugs in this country. in my personal do we not have a drug prohibition in this country? i'm going to bring in the whole panel now, which hasn't worked , flo, where are hasn't worked, flo, where are you at on this? well i do think that there is definitely a difference between weed and heroin. >> like, although peter hitchens will talk for hours and hours about how it can cause people to be violent, it can, destroy cannabis lives. be violent, it can, destroy cannabis lives . yeah, yeah. cannabis lives. yeah, yeah. >> i've never seen anybody violent on cannabis yet . violent on cannabis yet. >> he does drink a lot of alcohol , but >> he does drink a lot of alcohol, but i >> he does drink a lot of alcohol , but i also hate the alcohol, but i also hate the smell of it, i think it can lead to antisocial behaviour . to antisocial behaviour. unproductivity. and it's more sort of the lifestyle that's associated with regular air, marijuana users . that's the

marijuana users. that's the problem, as it's not. it's not really a dangerous drug at benjamin. >> i find it interesting . i >> i find it interesting. i think the truth is that it's effectively legal already . yeah, effectively legal already. yeah, certainly in big cities you will smell cannabis fairly routinely on the street, people don't feel nervous that a police officer will say something. evidently, police don't say anything. we know that, the chances of you being criminalised for being in possession of cannabis six times as many of those are black compared to white. and so i think the fact that there may be more likely to be stopped and search means that something that, you know, white people are generally getting away with, but black people are finding themselves guilty of cannabis, is racist. >> is it? >> is it? >> well, the fact that they are stopped and searched means you get far higher prosecutions for when they're found in possession of it. and so i you know, i do think that's an uncomfortable reality of that. but what i find difficult because i, you know, and i've written about this before, you talked about heroin. both my mum and dad were heroin

addicts for a very long time when i was growing up. and i know that the answer my mother has been clean of drugs and of heroin for 10 or 11 years now, and it wasn't people telling her that heroin was wrong that helped her, or that it, you know, should have a harsher criminal punishment. it was people reaching out for her to be able to get the help, to take the steps to recover from the addiction and the mental health problems that led her to that and that result from that. and so while i think it would be ridiculous to say heroin should be legal, the idea that harsher punishment solves an addiction of that severity is just not true. >> i mean, we've got stronger drugs than heroin coming onto the market manufactured in chinese labs. we're not coming oven chinese labs. we're not coming over. we're talking. i never said we were. i'll be piped down for one second. goodness sake, ben leo. but president biden has said that he, is in favour of going down this path for the united states of america. does that not tell you all you need to know about this terrible policy? >> well, it's a very lefty, wishy washy, woowoo approach to things. he's just trying to

clean up the younger vote because a lot of young people smoke. look, i'm quite split on it. i like to think of myself as a libertarian. i think people should, you know, really have control of their own lives. however sorry. by the way, this i must make this point. i think the link between cannabis or the suggestion that cannabis is a gateway drug to heroin is complete guff. i've never heard anything so stupid in my life. >> no, you break the law once, you do it again. >> that said that said i, i don't think legalising cannabis would be a good idea because in my experience it makes people lazy, demotivated. i don't think generally alcohol do , alcohol? generally alcohol do, alcohol? >> does it make people lazy or you don't? >> you don't get you don't get absolutely baked for ten hours sitting on your bed. or i suppose if you're hung over as well. but i, i don't see much benefit apart from medicinal purposes in cannabis. it's very helpful for people with multiple sclerosis , other conditions. it sclerosis, other conditions. it helps people who are terminally ill as well. but i just i don't it's not one for me. >> all right. so who won? >> all right. so who won? >> oh, well, well, the viewers will decide that the viewers can let us know, on

gbnews.com/yoursay still ahead, i'll be will smoke a joint live on air. all your questions. i'll be answered in ask the five. and in bunch of five. boris is turned away from a polling station. there's a new dating app station. there's a new dating app that tries to bring back the joy app that tries to bring back the joy of the phone call. no, don't worry. not like that. and we discuss the latest tiktok sensation. it's none other than the charming north korean dictator kim jong un. you with the saturday five live on

gp news. welcome back to the saturday five. welcome back to the saturday five.the welcome back to the saturday five. the verdicts are in on my saturday scrap with alby. andrew says. here we go. darren you are so far removed from reality, it is unbelievable . alcohol is the is unbelievable. alcohol is the gateway drug for hard drugs in

particular cocaine, which is at pandemic levels. cannabis needs to be legalised, to be regulated and is definitely not a gateway drug. listen to me. i drink my fair share of wine. i tell you what, i've never gone to the bathroom for a line of bloody coke. but liam says the young man who wants to legalise cannabis talks tosh. the underbelly of the netherlands is full of addicts who have fallen by the wayside side and whose lives are taken because of the use of cannabis. now, though, it's use of cannabis. now, though, wsfime use of cannabis. now, though, it's time for this. use of cannabis. now, though, it's time for this . all right, it's time for this. all right, who have we got first? >> so i'm first darren. and we saw this week i think the return of king charles to public duties for the first time since his since since the news about his cancer diagnosis. we also heard that he's taken over, taken over some patronage, patronages from the late queen. and i just thought to myself , isn't it such thought to myself, isn't it such a good thing that we're seeing the king back out and about, and

he's doing well enough in order to be fulfilling his role as the head of state? flower, what do you think as an avid royalist, i'm sure. oh, yeah. >> well, royalist, yes. charles varne . hey, hey, you know, the varne. hey, hey, you know, the crown really turned me against him. >> the. you realise it's fiction ? >> 7. >>i 7- >> i mean, 7_ >> i mean, it's ? >> i mean, it's fiction to an extent . we all know he had an extent. we all know he had an affair and. oh. >> so it's diana that's poisoned your mind against charles. >> also , he is king charles the >> also, he is king charles the woke, so not not the biggest fan of him, but it's great to see him back out and about, just getting getting better with every day. and although i do think it's great news to hear he's champions 200 new charities , my concern is that he may not have fully researched all of those charities because a few years ago, there was a theatre which camilla was a patron of, which camilla was a patron of, which put on a or tried to put

on a sex show aimed at children, which i campaigned against and got it cancelled. so they they need to be much more careful of who they're aligning themselves with. >> but he's going to be too busy to meet prince harry, apparently, when he comes to london, shortly. ben. leo, what do you think of that? >> no, i heard they are meeting. so there's a there's a buckingham palace garden party on wednesday, may the eighth. next wednesday, the party finishes at 4 pm. harry. meanwhile is at saint paul's cathedral for an invictus games event that finishes at 6 pm. and the hope is that they are going to meet that evening. crucially, though, prince william, his brother , is away william, his brother, is away and harry won't be meeting cancer stricken princess of wales. catherine, so sad. i would. yeah, she'll be relieved. all right. lovely. >> yes . so this all right. lovely. >> yes. so this week has seen, shows cancelled at the co—op live arena, which was a hideous building built to be the biggest arena in the uk. building built to be the biggest arena in the uk . and shows have arena in the uk. and shows have been cancelled, including olivia rodrigo, who i was supposed to be seeing yesterday. not happy because my train ticket was

non—refundable to manchester. so lost that money. i bought a really cute outfit. now i've got nowhere to wear it. you should have worn it here, well , it was have worn it here, well, it was miaow a little bit too, concert appropriate and not tv appropriate. but this is terrible because it's, problems with the air conditioning and heating system. so they had one show which started last week , show which started last week, and people already in the arena and people already in the arena and the roof started falling apart . so yeah, disappointing. apart. so yeah, disappointing. but you can't too be careful, right? >> i mean, i think the question is what? you know, you'll get a refund for the tickets if you can't attend these concerts. but loads of people have spent, like you said, a hotel, a train ticket. and is it really fair that they don't have to give you a refund when it's clearly a level of negligence with that building? >> yeah, definitely. and it was a £365 million project to build this. so, i'm sure they will have the money to spare. i mean, co—op's a huge supermarket company, so, so is it actually

co—op? >> are they just sponsoring the building or is it them who's constructed it? >> they are the name sponsor. so that's it? >> they just do you know what? sometimes i wish the aircon would fall in on me and i know. >> yeah, well, i've had to take my jacket off. i don't know if the viewers have noticed, but i'm absolutely dripping. it's so hot. >> you've been watching yourself. kim jong un is someone i want to talk to you about. the nonh i want to talk to you about. the north korean dictator he's put out . well, there's a little out. well, there's a little jingle associated with the north korean dictator, and it's gone viral on tiktok. it's apparently down with the kids. let's have a listen . lisa hartle chip chapman listen. lisa hartle chip chapman good with the heartstrings. >> you know what i talent hard to keep tune. good she could come over here. >> and now, benjamin, you were very keen on sir keir starmer coming out to that jingle. are recorded. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> kim singing he's great whilst he's bringing in the migrants on

a boat. you know a little, a little shimmy here and there. >> exactly as the economy is boosting, everyone will be dancing. oh, do you know, it's i mean , it's fascinating isn't it? mean, it's fascinating isn't it? because obviously he is a, a murderous dictator who's the keir starmer , you know, the keir starmer, you know, the ruler of communist north korea. you know, he's obviously a deplorable human being, a great threat to britain. and yet you have this communist propaganda video in north korea going viral on with westerners on on tiktok. you know, i think i think does it show a level of danger about the soft power these things can do? >> yeah. fleur. i mean, do you think actually we're not raising a generation, surely, of north korean advocates ? korean advocates? >> well, i mean, there has been some data that's come out that tiktok is radicalising, young people, young users. and there was a chart which showed you get one pro—hamas video and then out of the next one, it then becomes the majority. so i think that

that kind of thing could radicalise people. i think this catchy little tune , unless you catchy little tune, unless you understand korean, like, surely this this can't be doing any harm. >> i think the horse has bolted. darren, you're concerned about our kids being radicalised by commies. just look at our universities. they're all commies. >> well, and i think, you know, i think tiktok would probably say that any videos that endorse terrorism would be taken off the platform. >> all right, ben. leo, yes. so something i mean, the highlight, i think, of the local elections in recent days was the fact that bofis in recent days was the fact that boris johnson, the man who introduced , legislation to introduced, legislation to ensure that people had id on them when they went to the ballot box. he forgot his id. of course he did. he was turned away from his local, election station in, village hall, and he was forced to go and bring his id back before he could put his vote down. >> so i think he did it on purpose. i agree, i think he did it on purpose. he's written, he's written, written his column in the daily mail about it this week. i reckon he wrote the

column a few weeks ago. the editors had a look at it, and then he went to the polling station without his id in order to make a big song and dance about it. so everyone's going to read his column and the tv shows weren't, did you not think the staff are well done, boris? >> do you not think the staff at the polling station were just being jobsworth? they know it's bofis being jobsworth? they know it's boris johnson, he's the former prime minister. how can you not recognise him? >> no one is above the law. >> no one is above the law. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> exactly. i mean, of course, you know, albee excuses boris johnson being a blatant idiot and tries to claim he's clever. look, you know, i think the question is the question is, did bofis question is the question is, did boris forget the rules or did he, as in downing street, think the rules don't apply to him? i strongly suspect it was the latter. i think he thought what ben leo said, he thought, oh, i'm. i'm so famous. they'll just take me at face value. well, i'm sorry mate, as you learn the hard way, i think rules apply to all of us. >> all right. benjamin butterworth. >> well, at least boris has got a partner, so he's he's a bit ahead of me in that. there's this new dating app called haiti or haiti. it's indonesian for heart and now you get all these apps where you have to swipe one way or the other , and people, way or the other, and people, people will match with hundreds

of potential partners on these apps. so this one says you can't type messages to them. you have to pick up the phone and have a real conversation, a bit like, i don't know, being in a bar or a pub or a workplace. very old fashioned, darren, you've no hope of romance . what do you hope of romance. what do you think, i think you're right that it's probably more productive than swiping and only to match with someone and never speak to them, because you're actually forced to actually engage with people. but i wonder actually , i people. but i wonder actually, i read some stats that suggest that younger people are really reluctant to even pick up the phone, as to in call somebody, they're more than happy to text, but if you want someone to call, apparently that brings out panic attacks and all the rest of it. i mean, fleur, do you get panic attacks when you pick up the phone to call someone? >> it's great being the baby of the group. you are the youngest person here. young people is a is me. i'm the. i'm the spokesperson. but yes, i, i don't think it is that common amongst my peers. but i hate

speaking on the phone. i do not pick up unknown numbers . is. i pick up unknown numbers. is. i don't like having to cold call people . and in the article about people. and in the article about this dating app said that it's also our generation who don't even ring doorbells, but we text when we're outside. i did this yesterday. yeah, but but i do think it is nice to have that opfion think it is nice to have that option for people who do want a more natural, start to a relationship where it's not. you have to carve out the time in your day to speak to someone, to have a conversation, rather than , you know, you're sat on the toilet replying to someone that you've marched with. >> it's much better. i'd be worried about, i mean, do you see their picture before you call them? because i'd be worried about speaking to someone who's got a really attractive or alluring voice , attractive or alluring voice, and then you find out when you meet them later. there are, well, heaven forbid, ben, that you should be attracted to someone for their personality and not their looks, do you know, i think i think fleur makes a really good point. i hate answering the front door, let alone the phone. i'm always convinced that it's a serial killer or bailiffs. usually it's just, you know , someone

just, you know, someone delivering the post. but i do think you've got a big generational swift in that, you know, young people don't really don't literally talk to each other. all right, still ahead. >> it's time for you at home to take charge. as we tackle your questions in ask the five. nothing is off limits. gbnews.com forward slash kwasi is the link you need. you're

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. now there's no need for emails here, because we're about to answer your questions. yeah, it's to answer your questions. yeah, wsfime to answer your questions. yeah, it's time for this. to answer your questions. yeah, it's time for this . right. let's it's time for this. right. let's see what you. >> the money that went on those graphics . graphics. >> let's see what you've got for us this week. this is from jennifer. jennifer says hi albie. good job clutching at straws with regard to the

elections. why don't the tories just ditch rishi and at least give themselves a fighting chance? i'm not clutching at straws with the elections. >> i was just interpreting the elections in an accurate way. it is true to say that the local election results are a lot closer than the national polls would suggest. do i think we should get rid of rishi sunak at this point? no. i think it would be completely bonkers to get rid of rishi sunak at this point. i'm not the only person who thinks that our colleague jacob rees—mogg also agrees with me. i also thought it was quite notable that andrea jenkins , notable that andrea jenkins, earlier on didn't say that we should get rid of rishi sunak at this point, even though she's already put her letters in. i think we've all accepted that it's going to be rishi sunak leading us into the next general election. we've got to make the best out of this situation. i don't think all is lost. >> all right. does anyone agree with jennifer? >> what ? that albie is clutching >> what? that albie is clutching at straws? yeah, i've thought that for more than a year now, on this programme. look, you know, you kind of understand it, right? it's politics. they have to try and spin it, but you know, if you look at tees

valley, which is where ben houchen was returned , where houchen was returned, where rishi sunak turned up to lambast, you know, to celebrate a victory, the swing against the tories there was big enough that they'd lose every parliamentary seat and it's likely that they got a better result on thursday than they would in a general election, because ben houchen is personally popular. so i think, you know, i think we are looking at at a labour majority government. >> all right. mary's up next. and mary says nice to see you on the show fleur. but i'm feeling really ill and down in the dumps. so i need a good box set for tomorrow. can you help me out ? out? >> oh, i'm so sorry that you're feeling ill, my, my absolute favourite series is , brideshead favourite series is, brideshead revisited from the 80s. even wars, my favourite author. and it's just a beautiful but heartbreaking series, so stick that on. >> hopefully she doesn't sob . >> hopefully she doesn't sob. what's your favourite darren moore down in the dumps? i probably like the thick of it, you know, not to be too, political. >> abby. >> abby. >> oh, desperate housewives, think. >> right. next up is this from justin. justin says even in ben

good result that must be ben. leo because he's talking about football. it's certainly not butterworth . good result for butterworth. good result for arsenal today. yes. is this the year we end our wait for the title? >> oh, it was such a good game today. >> oh, it was such a good game today . the atmosphere was today. the atmosphere was amazing. it was three nil, i think we deserved the title. i just don't see where man city are going to drop any points between now and the end of the season, mate, we're relying on spurs to do us a favour, and i think they're going to, throw it. >> benjamin, we did have one comment that i saw within gb news. com forward slash. you'll see. and one of our viewers asked which charity shop you get your clothes from, your jumpers especially. someone actually asked if you knit them yourself. >> i wish i had that level of skill . no, i do love a chunky skill. no, i do love a chunky jumper. it covers up all the sort of chicken dinners i've had. oh, and i most of my clothes are from marks and spencer because i'm, you know, just just a normal guy. >> well, mark, sales in marks and spencer have just gone down the gutter, haven't they ? the gutter, haven't they? >> you like a bit of marks and

spencer? >> i do like, i do, i do, like, single handedly holding them up. absolutely, absolutely. they've sharpened their men's retail. >> it's me. >>- >> it's me. >> let me let me reveal something to saturday five viewers. darren is so working class and a man of the people that regularly on a weekly basis, he mocks me for shopping at h&m and even primark. well no no, that's true . no, that's true. >> admit it with your money. i think you're very savvy with your money. >> he looks. you look me up and down and you say, oh, where's that from? i say h&m and he goes, i think when you're not watching videos of yourself, ben, you're brilliant in your clothes. >> thank you very much to our guests tonight, the brilliant fleur mesoderm and to all of our wonderful viewers. neil says, who are these four imbeciles talking about unemployed, picking up litter? there are five of us here, so someone is not an imbecile. i guess . wonder not an imbecile. i guess. wonder who. next up. it's the brilliantly your curse with the saturday five, the saturday night show. don't even. i'll see you next week . you next week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather

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develop, particularly across north—east scotland . north—east scotland. temperatures generally in the range of 16 to 18, but locally 19 or 20. in the best of the sunshine for bank holiday monday. a bit of a mixed picture. some showery outbreaks of rain possible across southern counties of england. this trying to break up during the day into sunny spells and showers and that's the forecast for many parts. sunshine and showers. temperatures lifting generally into the high teens once more . into the high teens once more. tuesday into wednesday. high pressure starts to build in. temperatures start to rise. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

next. >> a very good evening. you're watching and listening to gb news. i'm sam francis. the headunes news. i'm sam francis. the headlines at 11:00. labour have secured a shock win in the west

midlands mayoral contest. after a partial recount. earlier, their candidate, richard parker, defeated his conservative opponent andy street, by just 1500 votes. speaking after his win in birmingham earlier, he said that the result shows people are calling for labour and calling for change. well, it means labour have now claimed all but one of the positions up for grabs in the mayoral elections in england and wales. in london earlier, sadiq khan won a record third term as mayor, with a majority of 275,000 votes over the conservative candidate, susan hall. >> it's londoners who inspire me every day to continue our mission of building a fairer, safer and greener london and in what i hope will be a year of great change, a future labour government led by keir starmer, working with us in city hall will mean we can go much further and accomplish so much more .

and accomplish so much more. >> in other news today, tributes have been paid to daniel anjorin dunng have been paid to daniel anjorin during arsenal's premier league match against bournemouth . the match against bournemouth. the 14 year old was killed on his walk to school by a man wielding a samurai sword in hainault in london on tuesday. the club, who the teenager supported showed his picture on the big screen today at the emirates stadium and a minute's applause was held dunng and a minute's applause was held during the 14th minute of the match. marcus monceau, a spanish brazilian dual national, was charged with murdering the teenager and he appeared in court earlier this week . tens of court earlier this week. tens of thousands of homes in east sussex are still without water tonight after a pipe burst. southern water say the disruption in saint leonards on sea and in hastings started on thursday. the firm, though, insists it is working tirelessly to get supplies back to properties . residents, though, properties. residents, though, say it's been disastrous. a school , leisure centre and school, leisure centre and theatre in the area have been forced to close . pro—palestinian forced to close. pro—palestinian students are continuing their

protests at various universities