honesty and relationships . get honesty and relationships. get in touch this evening. gbnews.com forward slash your say all of that in the next houn say all of that in the next hour. first though the very latest news headlines with ray . latest news headlines with ray. >> thanks beth. our top stories tonight. rishi sunak says he's determined to fight and the next general election is not a foregone conclusion . the prime foregone conclusion. the prime minister is calling for unity among tory mps after saying that he believes britain could be heading for a hung parliament. the conservatives lost hundreds of council seats and the west midlands mayoralty results. rishi sunak described as bitterly disappointing but he appears to not be giving up what the independent analysis shows that whilst, of course this was a disappointing weekend for us,

that the result of the next general election isn't a foregone conclusion, and indeed actually is closer than the situation is closer than many people are saying. >> or indeed some of the opinion polls are predicting. and that's why i'm absolutely determined to fight incredibly hard for what i believe and for the future country that i want to build. and that's what i'm going to do. well >> labour chair anneliese dodds says the labour party will win a majority. >> local elections are not a good predictor of general elections. if you just look at the overall vote share, which is what he seems to have done for example, very small parties tend to do far better in local elections. independents tend to do better . and if you look at do better. and if you look at the places where labour won, where labour picked up support, it was in those constituencies that labour will need in order to deliver a majority labour government . so i'm afraid rishi government. so i'm afraid rishi sunak has got this wrong. he's tenured. he should be listening to that message to actually give

people the chance for change. >> lib dem leader sir ed davey says he will table a motion of no confidence in the government , no confidence in the government, in an effort to pressure rishi sunak to call a june general election. sir ed claims the disastrous local election results show the country has, in his words , had enough of rishi his words, had enough of rishi sunak and his out of touch government . the motion will be government. the motion will be tabled when parliament returns tomorrow . new tabled when parliament returns tomorrow. new snp leader john tomorrow. new snp leaderjohn swinney says he'll seek to build a coalition of the willing to focus on scotland's problems, but won't resurrect the power sharing deal with the scottish greens. in his acceptance speech , mr swinney called for unity and said that the polarisation of politics does not serve the country well. mr swinney's appointment was unopposed and he's expected to be voted in as scotland's first minister later this week . mr swinney paid this week. mr swinney paid tribute to his predecessor. >> well, even a week ago i did not think that my future would

involve standing here accepting the leadership of the scottish national party . things have national party. things have turned out differently and before i say any more about my leadership, i want to pay tribute to humza yousaf. he has conducted himself throughout the last year with grace and with dignity, in some acutely difficult circumstances. >> met police detectives have launched a murder investigation after a man was stabbed in a street fight in east london on sunday night. the 38 year old was found with a single wound just off of a busy high road in bethnal green. scotland yard says that officers are still working to inform the victim's family, with formal identification yet to take place. well in the us, donald trump has been fined and threatened with jail by the judge in his hush money trial. the former us president has been ordered to pay $1,000 for violating a gag order. it prohibits him from making public

comments about jurors , witnesses comments about jurors, witnesses and families of the judge and his prosecutors . judge juan his prosecutors. judge juan mashan described mr trump's actions as wilful, and has warned him that he could face jail as the fines are not deterring him . heineken plans to deterring him. heineken plans to reopen 62 pubs that closed earlier this year. the dutch company says it will invest almost £40 million, creating 1000 new jobs. it also says plans to refurbish more than 600 of its establishments will turn them from tired pubs into premium locals , and gun salutes premium locals, and gun salutes have rung out across the caphal have rung out across the capital, marking the first anniversary of king charles's coronation . in. a 62 gun salute coronation. in. a 62 gun salute rang out from tower wharf . 41 rang out from tower wharf. 41 volleys were fired earlier by the king's troop, volleys were fired earlier by the king's troop , royal horse the king's troop, royal horse artillery, in green park in central london. the archbishop of canterbury has also paid tribute to the king's sense of

duty after his return to public life, and says that crowning him was the privilege of a lifetime . was the privilege of a lifetime. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news .com/ alerts. now it's back to beth. >> very good evening. it's 606. ihope >> very good evening. it's 606. i hope your bank holiday hasn't been a complete washout. and if you are sat in traffic trying to get home, stay with us until 7:00. it is bev turner this evening. and with me, political commentator benedict spence and former labour adviser and writer scarlett maguire . thank you both scarlett maguire. thank you both so much for giving up your bank houday so much for giving up your bank holiday evening to be here on gb news. get in touch with us at home. gbnews.com forward slash your say so. we are digesting the events of thursday, friday, saturday, sunday, the green party is now investigating a councillor who shouted allahu akbar after being elected, and said that palestine had the

right to fight back. this is moeen ali. he won the gipton and harehills award ward in leeds with more than 3000 votes at thursday's local elections. have a listen . a listen. >> will not be silent. we will raise the voice of gaza. we will raise the voice of gaza. we will raise the voice of gaza. we will raise the voice of palestine. hello. >> hello . >> hello. >> hello. >> so angry scenes actually there. there were people off camera that you couldn't see, basically telling him to put a sock in it. the green party spokesman has said that they are investigating issues which were drawn to our attention in relation to councillor moeen ali, so cannot comment further. however, we are clear that we never support anything that extols violence, but benedict, this gaza issue has played a pivotal role in these local elections. we've now got a muslim group holding keir starmer to ransom over 18 points that they want to see enacted. if labour are going to get their

votes . it's your assessment of votes. it's your assessment of this situation and how we've got to this place. >> i mean, in the short term, it's not going to it's not going to prevent sir keir starmer from becoming prime minister. i don't think medium to long term, it is a headache for him to have sort of for the labour party to have leant so heavily into. i suppose if you want to say a form of identity politics in certain parts of this country. to have done that and sort of rely on those votes as just being, you know, sort of a guaranteed thing, i think was very foolish. i think they'll have done that based on the idea that those votes probably wouldn't ever go to the conservative party. but i think, as we've seen with the success of george galloway and rochdale and in these local elections and actually gaza is playing a role, it is cutting through, i think, a lot of dependent candidates that will stand. absolutely. if this could be harnessed by a political party or, you know, just a coalition of people, it could cause serious problems for sir keir starmer and the labour party in general down the line, as i say, short term, i don't think it's going to block his path. but this is, i think, a

very concerning thing because this isn't, i don't think, simply a question of, people saying that what's happening in gazais saying that what's happening in gaza is unacceptable and disgraceful. i think that there is a broader element to it which does need to concern people, which is that this is very clearly a pet project of a lot of people. and i don't say that to be flippant, but it is very obvious that a lot of people are taking what's happening to gaza very closely to heart in a way that they aren't taking other conflicts around the world to heart. these people have no interest in what's happening in darfur or xinjiang or rakhine, where actual genocides are happening. these people have absolutely no interest in that. it's the one that involves the jewish state. but one of the things that does need to be sort of pointed out is that a lot of these people are from three different backgrounds bengali, kashmiri and pakistani in general. what do those . general. what do those. countries all actually have in common? they are all neighbours of israel and sorry, not israel, india. they don't get on particularly well with india and they have been to war in the

very recent past with india. so these people get very angry about gaza, fine humanitarian issues around that. you can make a justified case for it. what happens if a war breaks out between those between pakistan and india? for example, the government in india is very aggressively hindu nationalist. it is quite belligerent, you know, it's not in a sort of a conciliatory mood when it comes to pakistan, which is itself also a country in turmoil. what is to say that these people might not switch their attention from putting pressure on the labour party over gaza to, say, turning their attention to the labour party when it's in government and saying, well, you need to be supporting pakistan over our actual ally, which is india, in that situation. >> so, scarlett, this is the tip of the iceberg in terms of potentially international muslim, islamic countries conflicts being brought into the political landscape here. >> i think, i think we have to understand that what's actually really happening is, is that a lot of muslims feel that their fellow religionists , that fellow religionists, that muslims in in gaza are being killed, are being killed in their thousands , and that their thousands, and that britain is not standing up for

them. enough. now, this isn't about foreign things. i mean, we completely accept that jews feel very strongly about israel , very strongly about israel, right? absolutely. no question about it. so why can't muslims feel equally strongly about gaza?i feel equally strongly about gaza? i mean , i think and that's gaza? i mean, i think and that's what we have to understand, is that it's about that. i mean, i think , i think that, that, that, think, i think that, that, that, that this whole thing about we're really worried about them putting pressure on keir starmer . i mean, it's just not going to work. >> is it not going to work? because i think what what benedict is saying is that there is a faction, a faction of people in this country who are weaponizing this conflict in order to gain more power in this country. and ideologically and act out international conflicts, which and the power is there. i mean, more than 40, i have to say, one of the things this i think it must be said, i do

think it must be said, i do think that the labour party are going to win a majority in the next general election. >> but there is a line of thought. i know that the tories are sort of clinging on to it desperately saying, oh, well, there could be a hung parliament. there's not. but there is a line of thought that could say that actually it won't be a large majority. you only need a few constituencies to be made up of people who feel very strongly about an issue. and i wouldn't just say gaza, you know, it's something else needs. we do need to bear in mind is, people who are very pro rejoining the european union, actually in certain other areas that the labour party is targeting very strongly about, that it, you know, you can apply pressure to the governing party if you have the numbers in that sense. but again, you know, you say it's not about international issues, it's about muslims feeling very strongly about what's happening to other muslims. i go back to what i said at the start. they don't care about what happens to muslims in other genocides where it is about religion, what's happening in xinjiang and rakhine, what happened in sri lanka to the tamils was about religion. ultimately, they don't care about that. it's the one that involves the jewish state and that i think is very dangerous. we can't actually just, you know, dismiss it and say, well, it is about, you

know, a religion and they feel justified in this. all that sort of melts away when you consider that they're absolutely fine when it's other groups doing it to muslims that don't matter so much. >> they're not absolutely fine. and there are no marches there are no marches about what's happening in darfur. >> they're not standing. they standing for election, though, right. >> can i speak? yes. all right. so what i'm saying is, is actually the. so there are two things the marches are not just muslims. let's get this absolutely clear. >> yes, there are 17 jewish people. >> marches are massive. they're not. there are jewish people. there are lots who can't speak hebrew. >> funnily enough, actually, there are jews who can speak hebrew. >> but let's, let's, let's save that. there are also on the marches, there are a lot of people who are secular. i mean, who are brought people like me who are brought people like me who were brought up christian. right. so the marches are massive and they're inter denominational. yeah. right. so i just think this whole what worries me is that we're getting into a muslims are terrible. we need to be worried about muslims. we need to be worried about muslims vote. i mean,

actually, you know, if you look at it, it means i'm not sure that it happens anymore. but certainly in the big abortion vote, you know, the catholics would do it, that any mp you talk about to any mp and i'm sure it's the same with the conservatives. but certainly i know with labour mps that during the election they have group after group saying we're not going to vote for you unless you do x, y, z. so whether the muslims are better, this particular muslim group, and remember to put it mildly, it does.i remember to put it mildly, it does. i mean, it doesn't even involve most of the muslim labour mps , this group. labour mps, this group. >> so why are people a little more frightened of this? >> because i think they're making the people who are frightened are people like gb news and the daily mail. it is not people in the labour party. what the labour party realises is that when keir starmer said very mistakenly, that israel had a right to stop aid and food and water getting into gaza, that he

was utterly, utterly wrong. >> so what? what what is it then, about the daily mail and gb news viewers that might find this concerning? i mean, i would speculate it's because we're fed up with life in this country. and when a local councillor stands up to accept his applause for winning , i want him talking for winning, i want him talking about the potholes, the rubbish, the streetlights, all of the stuff that affects british people. right now, which is grinding us down every day. our local transport systems , not to local transport systems, not to stand up there and say allahu akban stand up there and say allahu akbar, this is for gaza . akbar, this is for gaza. >> this is a councillor who probably i mean, i have absolutely no idea. and it's the green party who will probably no longer be a green party councillor. we're talking about one councillor who was, to put it mildly , pretty stupid. well, it mildly, pretty stupid. well, right. i mean it was unbelievable how stupid he was. right. and, and obviously the green party had not checked him out before he became their councillor . but but there were councillor. but but there were thousands of people standing for election and most of them of

whatever religion they were, are, are interested in potholes and the and the cost of living and the and the cost of living and to pick up are they benedict? >> i go back to what i said at the start. this isn't about islam and people being scared about muslims. it's about jews and people hating jews. that's what this is about. ultimately, i think that this is a hijacking of what you say, hijacking of local issues. clearly, this is something that matters to a lot of people. more than local issues, to which i would say, and i would echo actually, what was just said about the candidate. that's a very stupid thing to care about, because actually your standard of living will go down if all you do is try and pass motions condemning israel at oldham or, you know, leeds county council or whatever it is, that's not going to change anybody's life. i do think that the majority of people in this country are fed up with how it's being run. but this goes to show actually, what just a little bit of motivation and a little bit of organisation can do in terms of putting pressure on politics at a larger scale. >> well, that is a very good point because the muslim communities are very organised when it comes to politics. and in a way, you can't blame them. but but if you look, i've just said that most muslim labour mps

do not even support this muslim vote thing. >> most muslim councillors do not support it. so there are some. but. >> but if keir starmer feels if keir starmer knows how politically engaged the muslim community is in this country, and he thinks he might need them to get him over the line, if he thinks that george galloway and independence are sufficiently powerful that they will steal the vote, he may have to capitulate some of you can speculate. >> i'm trying to tell you what's going to happen that keir starmer, mystic meg. >> oh, we're all speculating. >> oh, we're all speculating. >> no, i'm not speculating because actually i do know what's happening in the labour party and they're not going to accept this. so it is really simple. yes. but how can a lobby group feel empowered to make demands like this against keir starmer, one of which is commit 7% of public sector pensions , 7% of public sector pensions, pensions to islamic funds and ethical funds actually unethical? and i've just said i've just said it's not going to

happen. right. it's not going to happen. right. it's not going to happen any more, any more than the catholics hold on, than the catholics who say we will not vote for you unless you oppose abortion. right? we will not vote for you unless you change timelines. when you're an mp. >> i don't see those people. i do not see those people using abortion. 40 people using that at the centre of their council election campaign. >> no, i'm saying this is this has always happened. you wait . has always happened. you wait. you wait until we get assisted dying. right? and the churches will say, and you will get lots and lots of catholics writing, saying, we will not support you unless you oppose catholic assisted dying. it has always happened. and the people you know, the people against for the ethical treatment of animals will say , we will not support will say, we will not support you unless you oppose vivisection. honestly bev, but they are winning council seats in the same way, one of these demands issue guidance that muslims are allowed to pray at school that is related to the katharine birbalsingh case recently. >> this is you're right to say

that actually that these, these these communities tend to be a lot more politically organised. but i think scarlett is also right to say that this probably isn't going to happen on sir keir starmer watch, because actually, i think his record on anti—semitism in the party proves that he does take that very seriously. but that's why i did say it's not going to happen in the short term. i'm thinking more towards the medium term. if the labour party is put under pressure, say, you know, he's ousted as leader for some reason, say it's a he is replaced by somebody who's a lot more hawkish on israel. you can't necessarily make those guarantees because of course, the previous labour leader was somebody who i think would have capitulated on pressure when it came to things like israel. so you can't make those guarantees. i would say that i think sir keir starmer has done a pretty good job of trying to root out anti—semitism in the labour party. we have to remember how bad it was, but that doesn't mean that the job is done yet, and it doesn't mean that anti—semites will not try to put pressure on him on other mps, on local councils in any way that they can. >> and we have a problem of islamophobia in the tory party. islamophobia in the tory party. i mean, you know, it is not the same. >> there is a oh my word. it is not the same. there is nobody calling for a genocide of muslims in this country. there

is no country actually trying. there's no western country currently trying to prosecute a genocide of muslims. and all of this comes after an attack on israeli civilians by an organised genocidal organisation. that's what prompted this. and to try and try to all sides it by saying, oh, that there's also a problem of islamophobia in the tory party. they are not the same. because this i tell you what, show me the tory councillor that is chanting genocidal slogans against getting rid of muslims. that person does not exist and it is both sides. >> allahu akbar is not a genocidal slogan, but of course. >> but from the river to the sea is, i'm sure you know. he did plenty of that. >> he didn't say that. >> he didn't say that. >> no, but we're talking about this broadly in the round. no, we are talking about that. >> he didn't say that this is one individual. >> but as bevis said, there are lots of people who are standing for this. >> but you're saying what you think they might have said which? which i'm saying no, i'm saying what i've heard on marches, i've heard demonstrations, i've heard at hustings now telling me that councillors have said it and they haven't said it. >> i'll tell you what, let's just wait. let's wait a year. let's wait and see if this does manifest. >> kathy has actually got in touch and said keir starmer keir starmer already capitulated when

he got sir lindsay hoyle to change the parliament debate. she's right. i sort of forgotten that that was about whether they were going to debate about capitulating to muslims. >> actually, that was that was a sort of a trickery about a vote. and it was about it was actually about not capitulating to the snp. it was it was it was very, very, i mean, to go into what actually happened where i frankly think that nobody behaved very well. i don't that snp , i don't think the tories, snp, i don't think the tories, i don't think labour behaved well. that wasn't capitulating . that wasn't capitulating. benedict is right. he's not going to capitulate. but actually i don't i just don't see it happening . but what, what see it happening. but what, what what we have to do is we have to not not insult them. and what they feel is , i mean, what a lot they feel is, i mean, what a lot of muslims feel is that labour is not saying enough about tens of thousands of people being killed in gaza, and also they could say what they want. >> it's not going to change anything in the middle east. it's not like benjamin netanyahu

suddenly going to say, oh, moeen ali and leads . suddenly he's ali and leads. suddenly he's been elected. and he said, all right, i better stop bombing gaza. >> i tell you what, we've also just seen the double standards there, though, saying we're not allowed to insult muslims, but catholics are a perfectly acceptable group to beat what their views are. that's perfectly fine to just erode . perfectly fine to just erode. >> i didn't insult catholics. >> i didn't insult catholics. >> oh no, but no, that we can't inqu >> oh no, but no, that we can't insult the muslims. but catholicism, that's fair game said about what i said about the catholics is that when abortion came up, a lot of catholics encouraged by their priests, wrote, i mean, this is just a fact. >> wrote to mps saying, we will not vote for you if you if i sat here and i said something, i've got to wind up, anyway, that's for just part one. the muslim forjust part one. the muslim council of britain secretary—general zara mohammed has said these election results are a wake up call to all parties, politicians can't take anyone for granted, especially not british muslims. the dissatisfaction with politicians is palpable and the response to the atrocities in gaza is only the atrocities in gaza is only the tip of the iceberg. right?

coming up, we're told to cycle more and more, of course, but as a speeding cyclist escapes prosecution after a fatal collision with a pensioner has the law failed to keep up with the law failed to keep up with the dangers that cyclists can pose to pedestrians? this is dewbs & co on gb news with me. dewbs& co on gb news with me. bev turner don't go anywhere

very good evening. it's 626 dewbs& co with me. bev turner tonight. keeping me company until seven. political commentator benedict spence and former labour adviser and writer scarlett mccgwire , now a cyclist scarlett mccgwire, now a cyclist who collided with a pensioner , who collided with a pensioner, could not be prosecuted because speed limits don't apply to bicycles. the man was going 29 miles an hour. he's doing timed laps around regent's park in london, and he hit 81 year old hilda griffiths as she crossed the road as she was trying to reach a pedestrian island. so the legal speed limit there is 20 miles an hour and 59 days

after the accident , miss after the accident, miss griffiths died from head injury complications. so we are encouraged to cycle more and more, aren't we? but the law apparently seems to have failed to keep up with the dangers that bikes pose to pedestrians . what bikes pose to pedestrians. what do you think, scarlet? are you a cyclist? i i'm a slow sign, a slow cyclist. >> i will never , ever be done >> i will never, ever be done for speeding and i don't bicycle that much anymore. but what? what i find odd about this story is that i remember. i mean, it was years ago. a cyclist being donein was years ago. a cyclist being done in cambridge, in the middle of the night for exceeding the speed limit. and he too was trying to race. i mean, i think the big problem with cyclists so there were two problems is one is this guy was was obviously he was in a peloton. there was a whole bunch of them that were obviously trying to practice for racing. i mean , i think it was racing. i mean, i think it was at something like 7 am. but the terrible problem if you're trying to cross the road is you don't hear them. i mean, that's it is i mean, that's that's what happened to this woman. is that

clearly like i do quite often, you know, she went to cross the road, didn't look properly and bang, and, and i think had she, had he been going at under 20, i mean, of course, you know, cyclists should stick to the speed limit. of course there should be a speed limit, but most cyclists do not go over 20 miles an hour. >> so although you can't be done for speeding because that's got to be only motorised vehicles, cyclists can be fined for wanton and furious cycling if bodily harm is inflicted on someone due to cycling, you can get a two year prison sentence. most cyclists i see are cycling, i would say as wanton and furiously . furiously. >> i think in london certainly there is a culture around cycling where actually a lot of people do not behave particularly courteously. shall we say. on every day i see people jumping red lights, always cyclists, always men. it must be said, never women that i see doing always men of a certain age , normally wearing certain age, normally wearing lycra. yes. do you know what actually having having got very upset about the generalisations of certain people. ali, i'm

happy to generalise this kind of cyclist, because we all know who it is that we're talking about. i think the motorised vehicle thing, i get why that exists . thing, i get why that exists. it's but i do think it's about well, it's a simple question of velocity, actually. it doesn't matter if you're riding a horse or riding a bike or whatever it is. if you're going at a certain speed and you hit somebody point blank, you're going to cause a lot of damage. so it does apply to other road users based simply on the fact that they are road users. it should apply to all. i don't think that it's a very fair thing. and as we say, there is a culture. look we wouldn't tolerate boy racers in the middle of london like we do these cyclists. and i do think actually it's about time , simply actually it's about time, simply because of the general culture around cycling that i see. certainly in the capital city. i know that it might be different elsewhere in the countryside. i know it's, you know, perfectly fine to go at sort of 30, 40 miles an hour because you'd probably not going to come into contact with a lot of people. but in those kind of built up urban areas, actually. yeah, i think you probably should have to obey that. >> but how do you police that then? then we're starting to go down the route of well, cyclists therefore should have a

registration plate or they should be wearing something which identifies this. >> this person was prosecuted . >> this person was prosecuted. so there was no question that he was he was identified , i mean, was he was identified, i mean, the whole problem. >> but but he was in like you say, he was in a peloton. he was in a group that were training for an event. if you are a cyclist and you run over an old lady, you can just cycle away and no one's ever going to know who you are. >> yeah, but but i know, i mean, a friend of mine, a friend of mine who was on her way to interview president obama, was run down by a cyclist , and ended run down by a cyclist, and ended up in hospital and didn't do the interview with obama, so she was pretty bitter about it, i can tell you. and he technically he wasn't breaking the law. i mean, she was crossing the road. he was. and he thought that that shouting at her was good enough and she just assumed it was her husband. but but there's so much fury and anger on the roads now. >> i mean, cars versus bikes, but right there, that's a sort of a opportunities to interview the president of the united states . states. >> do not come along very often. not that that should be the

thing that sort of determines, but it can ruin your day. it can ruin your life. it can kill you. ultimately, the end result is the same. so, you know, whilst i don't think we do want to go down the route of, you know, saying, have you got a license for this bike and having registration plates and all that if people can't behave a certain way, ultimately there will, i think, be more tolerance of government getting involved and saying, well, hang on. no. if enough people are misbehaving, then that's what's going to happen. and so you do have to kind of turn around to people and say, well, look, if you don't want this to happen, maybe don't want this to happen, maybe don't behave a certain way whilst you're cycling along because you will ruin it for yourselves. and for everybody else. >> but who is this cycle culture for? because it's been subsequent governments. it's not just a sadiq khan issue , just a sadiq khan issue, although he has clearly pushed this through and he loves it. started with boris johnson actually, and he's boris bike. >> but we're talking about actually we're talking about different sorts. there are three different sorts. there are three different sorts. there are three different sorts of cyclists that we've discussed on this program. there's the peloton, and they were clearly racist. it was at 7 am, they were in a park. they were they were in regent's park. yeah. they were, they were going

around the inner circle or the outer circle and they were training . they were training. training. they were training. so, so we're not we're not talking about the people benedict is talking about. these were people training . and were people training. and strategically there should have been some sort of safeguarding place in that situation. >> i mean , somebody, a marshal >> i mean, somebody, a marshal or somebody watching something or, and i think they probably thought that at 7 am. it was okay. >> yeah . then there's then >> yeah. then there's then there's the boring cyclists like me and there are an awful lot of us who just who just bicycle . us who just who just bicycle. and frankly, you know, the man who mowed down my friend was a boring, ordinary cyclist. and then there are i actually, i'm more sympathetic to the deliveroo people because at least they're working. but. but there are the people benedict's talking about who are just an absolute pain in the arse. whether you are a pedestrian or an or . i mean, whether you are a pedestrian or an or. i mean, as a cyclist, i do— an or. i mean, as a cyclist, i do find other cyclists can be dangerous. >> benedict, one of our viewers, livvy, has got in touch and said this country has paid a fortune

for bike lanes and so the cyclists should pay some kind of license and insurance . surely license and insurance. surely they insure them for theft. because i was thinking that if you are a pedestrian hit by a cyclist and you can't work again , you've got no insurance. >> well, it's not an unfair point to sue them again. well, you can sue them, but actually people, if you can find them, you can sue them. but i think, you can sue them. but i think, you know, again, people who have other kinds of vehicles, you can't drive them legally without some sort of insurance. so maybe if you don't necessarily need a license or a registration plate, maybe some sort of insurance would be good, but you should be taking that out anyway on yourself at the very least. because actually bikes do get stolen a lot. people do get into accidents when it comes. but, you know, the proliferation of cycling in this country , i think cycling in this country, i think it comes first and foremost. it comes because a lot of the politicians who go on to high office went to oxford and cambridge, and there's a lot of cycling there. so you think, this works for everybody. they go to europe and a lot of the cities are a lot smaller than our post—industrial cities. and they think you can cycle everywhere in bologna or amsterdam. wonderful. everybody should do this. and also it's like again, you've sort of scarlett's pointed out there are several different types of

cyclists, actually, when it comes to commuting, it tends to be a young person without many strings, don't have children or anything like that. they don't actually have to cycle long distances. so it's useful for a certain kind of person, the sort of person who might want to live within, say, cycling distance of westminster in central london. it's the sort of thing that certain people think this is very good. it's not the most practical thing. >> you know who terrible for parents this obsession with cycling is a nightmare for parents. because and that's why i think that these white male politicians . politicians. >> why why, why? >> why why, why? >> because my day looks like getting the kids from school with a boot full of supermarket shopping , taking one to a shopping, taking one to a netball team, or taking one to a swimming club. if we want our children to do activities, we need to live in a city where we've either got amazing public transport and we do not have it. but even if we had amazing pubuc but even if we had amazing public transport, we as parents can't give our children the life that they need. and grandparents, whilst we're told to get on bikes in the rain on a cold day. >> no, nobody's telling you to get on you. oh they are if you

can't. come on, you have choice. >> no. if the truck. you don't have a choice. that's my point is you don't have a choice. >> if you don't have just told me you have a car, right? you have a car and you live without it, that's absolutely fine. and you drive your children places so you have a choice. i don't have a car. i have a choice. i have a car. i have a choice. i have a car. i have a choice. i have a choice because actually, where i live, there is good pubuc where i live, there is good public transport. and for my east west things, i take my bike. we all we have a choice , bike. we all we have a choice, of course, children, i mean, and actually i taught my kids how to ride a bike. i mean, i presume you have to know . you have to know. >> yeah, of course they can ride a bike. of course they can. but i wouldn't want them going out in london, i wouldn't. my eldest does ride an electric bike now andifs does ride an electric bike now and it's because he can't afford barely afford public transport. so it's so expensive. yes. so he goes out. but i will not encourage my daughters to ride bicycles in london. not at all. and when they're teenagers , and when they're teenagers, maybe it's okay. but actually when they're younger, when you want to get them to their activities, how are you meant to do that on a bike? >> no. well, then that's fine.

>> no. well, then that's fine. >> you you drive them. >> you you drive them. >> i mean, nobody's saying that, but you put them with a ulez with low traffic neighbourhoods with low traffic neighbourhoods with all the cycle lanes, which means it's bumper to bumper to bumper. >> it takes hours to get anywhere in this city now. and so who's suffering ? so who's suffering? >> part of the problem is, i think we're talking we're talking about a lot about cities. well, not very rarely people actually ever talk about is the countryside. we're still half of the population live. it's much safer to ride a bike in the countryside, but it takes you a lot longer to get to anywhere that you want to go. and that's actually where, you know, the concentration of, motor vehicle users. if you want to use them is most important because also public transport is where i'm from. if you want to get to the nearest city, there is one every hour. it does not always come exactly on the hour. and if you miss it, well, good luck. you got to wait for the next one and they've cut back on those services. >> so actually i would say if you're in devon or some places where i was brought up, cycling is not safe. >> no. >> no. >> and it's not even an option. yeah. very good point. right. still to come this evening, university students this time oxford and cambridge are occupying campus lawns with

pro—palestinian camps. it's echoing those protests that we've seen in america. they say it's because of universities supporting israel's genocide of palestine. we're going to be debating that in just a moment. don't go anywhere. dewbs& co with me.

bev turner. you've been getting in touch at home. diaz ayub says sadiq khan won't be happy until he makes everyone ride donkeys . and i everyone ride donkeys. and i know what you mean. it does feel a bit like that, doesn't it? right, talking of donkeys, benedict spence is with me , and benedict spence is with me, and i saw it coming in slow motion , i saw it coming in slow motion, like a cycling accident. >> we've been discussing, actually, the solution to travelling around this city. >> you've got it sorted, haven't you, benedict? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> cable cars, cable cars. bring on cable cars. we were all told we're going to be flying cars by 2024. see the site? >> actually, we do have to remember that boris did bring in a cable car and it's the one bit. >> that's right.

>> that's right. >> there is actually a cable car. there is a cable got about right. >> yeah. okay. so talking of donkeys, university students this time from oxford and cambridge are occupying campus lawns with pro palestinian camps. and we saw these similar protests in america. this is what oxford university looked like. this afternoon . stop the like. this afternoon. stop the bombing now, now, now , now we bombing now, now, now, now we are the people . are the people. >> we must be silent. stop the bombing now , now, now, now. bombing now, now, now, now. >> they say it's because the university support israel's genocide of palestinians in gaza. there was also a protest this week, as we've said in america . and this clip really america. and this clip really caught my eyes. the columbia columbia protest leader, johanna king slutsky, this is what she had to say . had to say. >> well, i guess it's ultimately a question of what kind of community and obligation columbia feels it has to its students , do you want students students, do you want students to die of dehydration and starvation or get severely ill even if they disagree with you? if the answer is no, then you should allow basic. i mean , it's

should allow basic. i mean, it's crazy to say because we're on an ivy league campus, but this is like basic humanitarian aid we're asking for. like, could people please have a glass of water? >> just to be clear? what what johanna slutsky was asking for, there was humanitarian aid to their protest, scarlet, because she said, we don't want to starve to death whilst we are encamped in university . i starve to death whilst we are encamped in university. i mean, the stupidity, the naivety of some of these students blows my mind. >> no , i think it's not so much >> no, i think it's not so much stupidity naivete as as entitled and not. look, when i was a university student , i occupied university student, i occupied the vice chancellor's office. me and quite a lot of other people very successfully. we wanted the day nursery to stay free and we woi'i. >> won. >> hang on, hang on, hang on. were you you were a student at the time? >> yeah. did you have children? >> yeah. did you have children? >> no, i had no, but friends of mine had children. >> so you protested in the office to keep the childcare facility open at university? yes, yes. well, that seems fairly logical. it's not quite like that. >> it's not quite the liberation

of an entire country. so i'm sorry that i wasn't radical enough. >> no. do you know what actually , i admire the fact that you aimed. >> you aim for something constructive that could be achieved rather than this big picture stuff. yeah, but i think actually, scarlet's right. this is it. i actually quite like looking at these ones at oxford and cambridge, because the scale is very small. and that tells me that the general population of these universities, compared to these universities, compared to these large american factories, which just sort of churn out graduates for huge amounts of money. we have a slightly, i think, better calibre than people at columbia, which is famous, actually been famous, for many years now for sort of churning out activist graduates , churning out activist graduates, scarlet's completely right. this is about entitlement. this is about people wanting to make the suffering of palestinians the murder of people in israel about them. and actually, you see this with every sort of social issue in the united states, be it black lives matter or whatever it is, that kind of student that suddenly dons, you know, the trinkets of the movement . you trinkets of the movement. you know, we saw that person there wearing a keffiyeh because of course, you know, having never been to palestine, that's completely fine. cultural appropriation is fine as long as

you really care about it. that's what they do. they make it all about themselves. and you heard the language. it's about humanitarian aid. you want us to, you know, suffer and die of dehydration . come on. honestly, dehydration. come on. honestly, this is not what your parents are paying huge amounts of money for, whether you saw. >> but she had one of her fellow students in the background wearing the scarf, but also a man wearing a little tiny crop top and little low slung jeans, possibly a homosexual who, if he was living in gaza, would be thrown off a building purely for having that preference. does he get that? >> does they understand what they're protesting about? >> no, i mean, i mean, obviously not. and it just you just think, i mean, as benedict says, don't make it about about them actually . vie, you know, if actually. vie, you know, if you're if you're really serious about gaza, you have to think, what should you be doing ? and what should you be doing? and not saying, you know, we need to be fed to particularly the campus in in columbia. >> there were other ones in america . they had to cancel america. they had to cancel benedict the graduation

ceremony. yeah. so if you've been at that university for four years and your parents have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and you want to go up, go dollars and you want to go up, 9° up dollars and you want to go up, go up and get your doctorate, your degree, these idiots . and your degree, these idiots. and they actually spoke and they said, well, if at this time you think that's important, then you know, i can't help you. this is more important . how have we more important. how have we created a generation like that? >> i mean , honestly, the >> i mean, honestly, the coddling of there is literally a book on this called the coddling of the american mind. >> it's a phenomenon that's been ongoing for some time. but as you say, you know, this is not them that is necessarily paying this money. this is loans in the worst case scenario. and often parents are the best. but what you've also seen and i think again this shows you the slightly the different dynamics at play in the united states is the backlash from predominantly it must be said , jewish it must be said, jewish benefactors, but not just jewish benefactors. also people who see the behaviour and go what on earth is it that i'm giving the vast endowments to these universities for major wall street institutions, other sorts of companies going, do you know what? actually we're going to sever ties with this university

if you're going to continue to facilitate this. at which point suddenly the police are called in and it all gets shut down. 2000 people have been arrested in the united states because the universities have gone. well, actually, we care more about the money. and actually our alumni are saying they're not going to give us any more endowments. they're not going to hire any of our graduates because they can see them behaving like this. this doesn't do a great deal for our reputation. >> okay, let's hear what oxford university said. the spokesperson has made a statement. they say we respect our students and staff members right to freedom of expression. expression in the form of peaceful protests. we ask everyone who is taking part to do so with respect, courtesy and empathy. well, good luck with that. empathy. well, good luck with that . all right. coming up, a that. all right. coming up, a quarter of people aged 18 to 34 have told a survey that they have told a survey that they have never answered their phone. i'm not joking. they much prefer a whatsapp, a text, a snapchat, a whatsapp, a text, a snapchat, a voice notes. and what will this mean for the future of humanity? yes, we're going to go there. don't go anywhere.

now than a quarter of people aged 18 to 34 have said that they have never answered their phone. they have never answered their phone . when asked what they did phone. when asked what they did if their phone rang, they said they simply ignored it. were these all my children? some said they googled the number or texted their friends and family back rather than calling them. what does it mean for the future of humanity? benedict i'm not exaggerating. i think this signals a deep problem with the socialising of our young people. >> i mean youth, you think that it's potentially going to sort of take us in a direction where no one will ever meet their partners, no one will ever have a child. >> humanity will die out. >> humanity will die out. >> whereas i think it's darwinism. i think it's that kind of person that will die out. and actually, the strong will survive by going out and interacting with each other. >> the chatty will survive. >> the chatty will survive. >> scarlett, the chatty will inherit the earth is amazing that before the telephone was invented, we had humanity. >> isn't it incredible? >> isn't it incredible? >> well, it's amazing . >> well, it's amazing. >> well, it's amazing. >> we've still got humanity the way things are going with the telephone. >> but when i was young, i mean, what people always complained aboutis what people always complained about is teenagers always being

on the phone and never, ever. >> you never being able to get through to anybody because the teenager was on the phone and actually , the thing about actually, the thing about teenagers is they are good at communicating and they just choose their methods. >> oh, not anymore. they're not they're not anymore. okay. >> famously, certainly teenage boys were famously bad at communicating. well. they've perfected a manner of communicating between each other using single syllables. >> but yeah, but how do you how do you teenage girls. >> yep yep yep yep. >> yep yep yep yep. >> an empire was built on. >> an empire was built on. >> how do you raise a generation of people that can even sell something for a business? how do you sell something if you are frightened to pick up the phone? when somebody rings, you ? when somebody rings, you? >> well, then, i mean, it has to change, but what? they might be doing different things. they might. i mean, lots of people, you know, when we all when we all use the phone. i knew people who said, i just i hate it and i who said, ijust i hate it and i have to use it. and you just you just do it. i mean, ijust have to use it. and you just you just do it. i mean, i just think just do it. i mean, ijust think i think i think i think that actually we do get overhyped about how terrible everything is and how dreadful the young are.

>> they are dreadful. and it is all dreadful. >> there's no good kids, no good children out cycling on my street. what are they doing out there? who nobody knows up to no good. >> everyone under 40 is a disaster. >> and you? you're in this category? absolutely. but i mean, doing wheelies. what are we like? >> you know what we do know? one of the reasons why i think that teenagers and young people won't pick up the phone or have a voice to voice conversation because they're frightened of saying the wrong thing. >> i do think there is something in that, actually in a sort of way that you can't quite manage what you're saying. i know this personally. i speak on television. once it's out of your mouth, you can't call it back. you can take your time over actually writing what it is you're going to write. whereas if you say something out loud, people interpret it the wrong way. and also the less people interact with each other, the less they understand each other's ticks and mannerisms, the like. you know, i can see entirely why that is. but broadly speaking, again, i am a bit brutal about this. i tend to think that those who are going to push on in life, even if they have this sort of phenomenon of not being, you know, sort of

particularly comfortable talking on the phone or in person or whatever it might be at some point they'll be forced to grow up, and those who are going to be left behind will not grow up except that that generation not being forced to do because part of growing up is having conversations. >> when you're awkward and you're shy and you want to avoid conversation, that is how you become an adult and have difficult conversations. they don't have to anymore. they just don't have to anymore. they just do not do what my daughters do, scarlett, to tell their friends where they are. they just take a photo of themselves and just send that. >> no words needed right? we've regressed. >> no capital letters. >> no capital letters. >> we've regressed back to the cave painting method of communication. >> let's forget when mobile phones first came in and you suddenly realised that. >> i mean, i remember picking up my son from university and in my day, we made arrangements. no they did it on the spot. right? because they had a mobile . and because they had a mobile. and so they'd go, this is where we're going in ten minutes time. i just think that, you know, that our children are incredibly adaptable and we don't have to worry about them. and benedict's right. the ones that want to get on will do. i'm all for i mean, the number of texts that can be misinterpreted because you can't hear the voice, the intonation,

irony really does not work on the written page , but you can the written page, but you can joke about it. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> and that's , i think, what >> and that's, i think, what this generation, they're going to be, they're in a real mess if they can't string a sentence together and have a meaningful connecting conversation , even if connecting conversation, even if you just send a message to somebody, you don't know how they are, you need to be on the phone sometimes to just pick up. >> everybody who knows me knows that everything i say is sarcastic or sardonic . so sarcastic or sardonic. so actually they do interpret the text that way. but i think if we're talking about, you know, young people growing up, we've been having this conversation a lot recently about the use of mobile phones and social media earlier on in life. take them away. just actually, if you're concerned about them, take the smartphones, take the social media. >> i know people say it's difficult, not as easy as i know. people say it's difficult, but you are doing it. you're doing it for the good of your the good, the good of humanity. that's what we're talking about. >> scarlett benedict, we didn't have enough time. thank you so much. i will be back on britain's newsroom at 930 tomorrow morning. join me then. up tomorrow morning. join me then. up next, though, it's nigel farage. >> a brighter outlook with boxt

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gb news. >> good evening. i've been talking about it for some time. i believe sectarian politics is here to stay. i shall debate that with a senior journalist that with a seniorjournalist and representatives of the labour and conservative parties. we'll also look at how labour did the other evening. was it just a little bit disappointing, even though on the face of it, it appeared to be a rout and let's have a happy story on this bank holiday monday. despite the rain, a boost for pubs, yes, as heineken promised to put £39 million into 600 pubs up and down the country. at least somebody hasn't given up on the british boozer. but before all of that, let's get the news with ray allison . ray allison. >> thanks, nigel, and good evening to you. our top stories tonight we start with some breaking news. israel has rejected a ceasefire deal, which hamas claims to have agreed with egyptian mediators. but it says

they're exhausting every possible, every