is about going into the trenches. the queen, in military reputation has been changed. it has to say the very least. and those with experience hold in the lines, trying to save the amateurs thousands of train troops like all looks under it. radio agreed to in the 21st separate, make a nice brigades have been fighting for the best part of 2 years without the proper rest. if we go home, he says, inexperienced soldiers might be able to hold the line against the russians, but a lot of them will die. some already wondering whether it's time to let go of done boss instead of a holding on and running the risk of there being no one left to defend the rest of the country, which would not liberty. yeah, it's obviously unpleasant, painful offensive. and no one wants to leave any settlements, but at the same time, we should not consider it and known to notify launch military units or entire formations or an entire army in the future in order to keep some territories. those who didn't want to fly to select the country,

but they too are now subject to the press draft as part of the craze mobilization overall. how it looks like now. a man of conscription age went abroad, showed his state, but he does not care about its survival and then comes and wants to receive services from the state. it does not work this way. our country is at war. so it's like pulling the lift away. you have already promised k of that, they'll send back any mail ukrainian refugees of military age, though it's on clear how they're planning to do that. exactly. all the countries, however, like hungary, have a more humane opinion on the matter and refuse to back down hungry will not extradited creating refugees. we're not considering if a green diem, some soldiers are not on the base. supplementary commodity will not allow them to be sent to their deaths. and there you have it's more western weapons on the way, but the crane is still desperate for boots on the ground resorts into dubious recruitment methods, which sometimes end up what's called scripts that before you've been making it to

the front line versus circle of bad p r, which only increases that ukrainian death. so as us military is rapidly retreating and depleting all the rest of the offensive shows no signs of slowing down. what do sales are to international effects then cross talk? peter lavelle and his guests discuss french presidents a manual microns so called strategic ambiguity when it comes to ukraine by the the

hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, french president emmanuel, the ground says he's advocating strategic ambiguity when it comes to ukraine. this includes funding western military personnel to fight for cubes. this is not strategic ambiguity, but rather strategic confusion, the prospecting ukraine. i'm joined by my guest over desires in geneva. he is an author and former un independent expert on international order in brussels. we turn to appear emmanuel, tom, mom. he is a lecture at leon university and in nice we crossed to alex because of all of which he is a veteran reporter and foreign affairs analyst, or a gentleman cross lock rules and the fact that means he can jump any time you want . and i always appreciate it, i would somebody go to you 1st and nice because you're in france, so nice. so i started out with the french president here. it says he's advocating a form of strategic ambiguity. and then he says,

under the conditions in which he will send troops, his troops, they filled troops, somebody's troops, i don't know of, and those conditions, are it kids lines break, or they a request is made, prized zalinski. so it, i don't see that is m b and, and beauty. i find it confusing and certainly very dangerous. go ahead, alex, find a deity, right? it's one of 2 things. either you don't know what you're talking about. really funny because you see like it's, it's, it's that simple going all along the lines of him saying he's going to send troops . and if the mind breaks or if you create, makes a request. well, i think you create would have already made that request of it. i had a chance to meet and request these me for your time, the sky ideas. and i felt like little, even here he's, he's pushing out all these ideas to, to need while they don't really not been bathroom on it. you talk any st politician . nobody wants to go in, so you create a fish. now the other side of that coin is, we know that since 2014 and couldn't use the americans, the french, the british,

everybody stayed on the ground in ukraine officially. so what does this make of what the process of staple makes a big difference? actually when you're looking at the different maddox for your face, when you say you're basically on the ground, well, that takes things off a level and that's what people are sick and tired. we need to stop this type of rhetoric. we should be pulling back. we know what the situation is on the ground. wines have been broken time and time again because you created a body off, their backing off, their mind is being broken very quickly and solidly in the past few months. so why would background say this posture? i mean, you have germany, which is the economic engine of europe, and then you have france, which is the most hardcore military, let's say the troops or existence or the military here in new york. they, they, armstrong, you know that about france. but that does not mean that you shouldn't be rattling that. ready word as much as i get rambling it, i hope that the president, she told him a thing or 2 about the call to actually run these days. because i need to sometimes

have the adults in the room and we know with macro, and that with him, we all know who looks like the adult in the room. so let's pull back, let's stop playing these uh, you know, to slow your games with one another. let's get some solution. yeah, i agree, alford, you know, the, but if you look at the, the, the predicate of the crown statements and he's got his all over the place. he actually was very conciliatory in the beginning of all of this. now he just wants to be the pocket in nato. but you know, the, the, the way, the conditions that he said they know if the lines break and the silence he makes the call. doesn't that tell you that the ukraine is losing and maybe they should try a different strategy? alfred as well. obviously a plan is losing and they know what they're putting themselves on under pressure. and this makes me think of another french napoleon i fully understood who did not stop provoking the impressions

and his arrogance. uh, watched them eventually just to say, face to declare war on prussia, which he lost in 6 months now. um, we don't ones that we have no clear states that can destroy not only themselves but the rest of humanity. so you need to break that gridlock, you would need to break the pretest. you need to accept the fact that the, whether you would like it or not, we'll live on only one land and uh, we cannot afford to continue with escalation, but it's not only mat crohn who's mad it is joe biden. and anthony blanket and all of phillips and his born minister and recei. uh so like,

and is 4 minutes or um uh, david camera on there. oh. using very belligerent rhetoric. well, i mean, okay, now, now that you brought up a camera on, i'll go to appear menu. well, i mean, he very, um, uh, loosely said, you know, that, you, you, craig can use whatever british weapons they want and wherever they want, even against rush, i brush or proper. and then the, the, the, the response to that is that the russians are saying, well, they will respond to any use of weapons that use against rush are used by the ukrainians. if it's use in ukraine or even beyond ukraine. now that is getting serious business here. go ahead peer emanuel. yes. it's your looks like and not chief of for or west on states and the re friend so. so trying to take the lead, know of the and not cheap for underlying got to are you create

a new will be the winnings along the russia should lose football. and this is not the operating on the grounds. so regarding the public opinion or the very lies there being a top 30 muse interpreting, re, so crises from the beginning paper notice they understand more, more about or, or this not to less fate. and the imaging mccormick, overall wisdom, the just been, don't know what to do more to, to steal up here as critical or andrew are the way the filed is to increase or the, your okesha narrative like crew putting troops on the wrong division, midsize, or hitching your territory of russia or vote from the french, both of you, your good or so these are in town or the debate in france, we'd be

a nixton's jump in part of an approaching wherever to put a stick are brought to remind you that and by cool is very is going to lose the butter because or how some of them found us renata, these made or position be for me still about the on the i'm looking uh is no, but dollar dollars votes expected from the bought to you've made money very much. okay. so the money and we would like to reinforce of these not cheap of being very strongly international. they don't have very many. well, let me ask the question, do young uh french soldiers want to go fight in ukraine? apparently they're already there. so i'm, i mean i, it would be the, the, the general staff of france will allow them across to make that decision. i mean, or even the people make a decision here that the same, this, the stikes, the mistakes are so high for someone pastoring. yes, that's right. of each center was because or it looks like you're vis.

narrative is increasing and the rising mistakes on in the end. we don't know because to look pretty border or imaging about home might to be your feel obliged to do something to do it. tuesday and really troops officially, we don't know, but or many general are seen for us expos, stacy issues, issues are you will be a disaster because for us has not become of any teach with strategy. come big you t, you need the huge movie to recovery, beatitude behind on for us as is not ready for i entered city war and this is why it is so denture was renewal, but we also already some instruct jobs on the grounds and of it tried to hide this fact, and the question is, would it become office charge with troops on the grounds? and the, even though we've been minimum reverse of troops or each would be a disaster un, under most a french deeper does that really. but the main part of the car properties of position does that really?

but, but it would be smart tv student going on a think on to the end of for you pay that extra estimate maybe. well, i mean, you know, it's, i mean, it was good. let me go to alex back and needs it. it was pretty pathetic if you're doing this kind of calculation based on europe and elections that the stakes are much higher then these elections coming up here. you know the problem, alex here is that the chrome keeps saying russia we should not be allowed to win. is that a strategy? what about ukraine? go ahead. no. i mean that that's a big question. and i, what are they saying? the rest of wants to take over all of you create that has never been the, the, the idea. if anything, the 1st move is a key was to do the exact same thing that the americans did announce the cool governments and basically put somebody, the charts with a little bit more common sense of the people that are running the show at the time for russian to take over you cream again, and that's not a strategic value to reference goals of all the to the have. they are holding the land, the russian speakers with their that lost their rights to speak, their language rough, bought their rights to teach their, their kids,

russian. what their rights to, how their signs up in russian. i mean, these are, these are things that we see happen around the world when you are either ethnic cleansing or you're pushing people out of an area. so what russia did was defending is people of people that could identify themselves as russian does rush. i have an a, a, basically some sort of idea of going to the very end of your credit of inquiry about missiles pointing out at your russian missiles. don't have to go up to the border of the youtube to hit their target, just like western mrs. don't have to go up to the board or russia, but for some reason, they thought it would be a good idea to expand the needle, you credit, which is the biggest level of land next to russia all the way up to the border. and we all know, i think we all know that we're sitting here and the people that are watching this. we know how this started. we know that there were negotiations on the table that this never had to happen. and they all came from the west. the us and friends, and in the have, you know, people have been talking more forever honest with the you. when i see all of this is the 1990 this month. that's the bottom line. we have special interest groups,

the united states. and beyond that, we're making a lot of cash for this. and at the same time, a lot of people are dying and they don't have to send americans. and when they can use, you could use as content. bonner and those ports abilities are going through this for absolutely no reason this can't stop. well, alex, so they can say to you before i say with you before we go to the break here, what happens if french troops start dying? what is the crowd going to do then? what they say that the french mercenaries of what i well the power and leave him, they say is already there. they say the forwarding legions already there. the form is ever again, j. c. up to the canadian aspects of horses or wherever they are in 2014 and i'm sure they're, they're there to, to some degree right now just like probably alrighty. i'm still going to have to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on you can stay with our team the,

the feeling we were story, the luck of the, of the board or storing yourself. originally, you spoke to the senior boy manual, not sure yet, but it's a general facility based in yet periods which are likely to ski photos than anybody's industry to the book of the building and grab it out of steel, bundle ski at the, at the site. the bullet, this me a look at the new your event. as i said, it was a miss level that they use as c assess. get ready this form with year of experience of foot levels to say in nearest the quickbooks and you for the 80 percent of the requirements. so be 250 that you would say specifically, and you have to just cash the senior the

welcome back to the prospect where all things are considered. i'm peter roosevelt remind you were discussing you create the okay, let's go back to alfred in geneva, which is for every action there is an equal reaction in the reaction build this loose rhetoric that we have heard of, particularly over the last few new cycles or rushes decided to the start exercise is a, uh, a new killer drills um for that. um, a cooper as a precaution because of the very provocative language coming out of western capital's irresponsible language. i would say, i think we would all agree, but say there is

a reaction and this is an escalation. don't western leaders understand that this is a reaction to their loose rhetoric? alfred. ah, no, i do not want to understand. i mean, they live in their power level world are parallel reality and the public, the masses are subject to re lend class brain washing. i mean, and it's not only new york times, washington post, and then frank pulled out defined it's, i don't even hear in switzerland. you re nonsense in there? no, i have to over to the title and organizations like mine. i'm in the do you name a international piece research institute, the get rate, we have pulled out a blueprint for peace and ukraine. we have sent it to the allstate here in the hall in burn. and of course, you know that we in switzerland. i was was with citizen, we are going to have uh in may and do this. um,

so called peace conference. i said, brother getting stuck on lakewood south. now they are going to be a lot of blueprints for piece. the 10 point plan of uh, sure, landscape is delusional. absolutely. uh, disconnected, uh, from reality. but, uh, the 12 point point uh, plan of the chinese is good. the 10 point blind of the africans is good. uh, the international progress organization has put up a very good plan. also told frances had put out a plan. so uh, there are id as of there. and my hope is that if enough states participate, obviously russia is not going to participate. that's clear. but if uh, say, the presence of china and india and south africa and brazil and mexico, etc,

might lead the conference to discard the 10 point applying of isolated scale as totally unrealistic. i start to look for possibilities of a compromise. well, it is, it's interesting now for the, you mentioned a member of the countries around the world, the energy individual, the pope, in organizations that have a blueprint to start the process of ending this complex here. i'm going to go to appear menu. all right. now, um, but no western leader does that no western lead, no one in nato. does that and put in intelligent reg, hang on, perfect, hang on, hang on, i'm putting so now you ration. he said, rush or remains open to dialogue and it's up to the other side to decide how to move forward in a period menu. well, i mean, where is the, the, the piece plan from the biden? people from cameron from sergeant schultz. where is it? they never use that language of, of ending this conflict and maintaining a security for all players. they never talk about language. go ahead and brussels.

yeah. so unfortunately are i've seen it in europe, young member states of natal. i'm not sure where the silver ran anymore. as we speak or are they your i think they this feeling more or while you are g 2 up to your awesome are why are to be 0 attempting system and with a run? can we'd be nate to lunch with an independent voters. and this is like, you're the, you're a pencil competing to be the best artist of washington. and you're trying to also, at the same time a true she to of, of, back to you in case of for trump will be elected because they seem to the united states really less um, less it'd be present in europe in office. but that's the same time, very your, the photo, the main, your part of the car objectives of,

of washington. and it's likely we want to find a nice in to be sure, or is a monique of washington in europe and to, to, to found val owned leadership weaving, or vis systemic or the west on the dominus, we've out to try to find any, your end of this conflict because we're menu, well i, i don't want to, i don't want to be too insulting here, but is there any leadership in europe at all? i mean, you know, you see this from a crown. he is, he's is channeling his entered the gall. he can't find it. um, cameron is no churchill. i mean, where is leadership in europe? i mean, they're all replaced. well, you could take the prime minister from finland and put them in italy. it wouldn't. no one would notice. go ahead go. exactly. it'd be closer to the class, easier of

a very your low quality to be frank. those seems the departure of the board and for us on more more you've been seeing prison on the front. small more lines on the i would say are under sex on the water, we go to the independent voice and are image even more cool or sure doesn't the experience of for read crises of low for shock. she and i was there last president with experience in the war, and are they use it? they don't understand this new merchant put on war because they come from in the ideal g. carter butler, a francis should do it takes the lead was your project. but the v e u is dependent on a tool and west of the maintenance and the the can be done on the stand up to position them serve in this new emergency, put out well emerging. we're actually, you is losing power on the left side only. uh and hardwood cvt quotes,

we think will be the speaking of the i aggressive out of the weight. we have the polish official them wanting to host the american nuclear missiles on their soil. i mean, what country in the world is we don't we want. we want to be a target for in a nuclear war. i, i just, i can't understand that whatsoever. why would you want to do that? unless you want to just curry favor, you want to, you want it, you're giving a nod to washington. you, where are you? where are you guys in europe to get differential get the germans. poland will stand with you. i mean, this is insanity red and the russians are not going to react to it. really go ahead and why don't we just talk? suppose people, instead of the post politicians, which are almost obviously bought. i don't think the if he talked to anybody that's was 80 were here year of a big book. oh, you're very different story about their feelings to what's happening in ukraine. they're, they're still in some sense in the he, you added your but if you look at the end of the line,

they're looking at the hungary, if you're looking to increase and you listen to some of their politicians. these are people that have seen it, especially the creations i get outside of the utah the serve use you know, they, there's this whole. ready mythology, that serbia somehow attached to, to rush to like it by them delafield court. it's, it's not there. there's people that are pro and anti rush and serbia as well as increases. but these are countries that see war, they know what it's about, that they're politicians that are now leading. ready stations know exactly what happens and they know that it's, it's something to be avoided. go little bit north, the hungary, then you just got a politician there, a man running the show that seems out a lot more common sense that when you start from the west. well, it alford, it seems to me, with all this loose endangers rhetoric, coming out of western capital's out of nato land here. their primary objective is to keep it going, in lieu of doing something else. they don't know what to do. so what, what's the option? keep it going until the last ukrainian is gone. alfred,

it was going to be back when the last 2 great and is gone. because then what do you do at that particular point? i mean, the sooner or later you have to accept that this failed the same as the us incursions in vietnam failed. same as it was incursion in afghanistan, failed the, your stuff, it very easily. it just turns the page. nothing ever happened. we forget it. we leave a mess behind, but the europeans, they are in a very difficult position. there are intelligent people liked to meet to the fox. who have uh, is that very intelligent things you have in german, a guy, thoughtful insurance board and several old or politicians, but they're not in power. there is a total disconnect between the elite, between our so called democratically elected leaders, and the people as the masses of the people in spain or friends

or nearly they don't want more. nobody wants more, but their leaders are making money. their leaders are how exec in the service of washington, or wait one day historian full pallets, or if you're with lawyers that can explain that to us today would be useful. but uh, we are just postponing uh, the moment of fruits. and i'm very concerned about miscalculations at that time when ukraine has really been defeated. what they're yeah. well, it's interesting, perry, manual i, i, i've often said on this program. you know, we, you, you might, you often hear the phrase, future historians will explain to us how we got here, but i don't think we really need his story in the future. we're going to need psychologists. what was wrong with these decision makers? why did they make the decisions the way they did? they're making decisions against their own invested interest, their own people's interest. and there was security because at the end of the day,

for the russians, this is all about security and know you're a p and leader is talking about security. it's amazing to me. go ahead, parent manuel. yes, it's we remember. let's remember, his fame was book the sleep woke up from christopher cock palmer. we arrive, oh that 1st world war is tots. each and to each country is a different interest to be before it will be a little kind of war on venue read attempt with 1st of all, because we were miscalculations. are a lot of prop park on the, from all sides there with lying in the newspapers to what people are. that's no, actually the people are, they want to find the right information. we are to not keep sites on internet yukon, and do mobile, or people or folks up or e french very read. you more more. i tell not cheap p textbooks, whichever tools do what people are. and that's why it'd be elections. he's going to

be already. it'd be good the surprise or, and do also, or many military expos actually would be lying on tv, on the rich situation. because they'd been paid to say that, that they don't know what to do. they don't know what to say anymore because you what research is not happening and are very, very find only on gra cvt on the well large and we're gonna end up selling or we're going to end the program on the same. you know that we started it, this is all strategic confusion and we're all going to pay dearly for the gentleman . that's all the time we have a one, a think, my guess a nice brussels and engineers. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. and remember across the rules the

most affordable, cuz it also was in the business. and you put in the the, you know, as soon as i know mary comes great. and we've got the best option of clicking for those who are looking for to angel's test. option. sure. ruckel, humans matter of the different incident in full, which of course and get you thrown in with them in the probably and you're still the shorter issued through the or the 2nd. yes. just to be as good as you tab through. usually i'm guilty and that'd be studies meaningful to flourish, to for me to on, on, on the tutor which originally it was just pushed. it just won't because of this new way to parcel of useful colors or i don't know which these are i know for the don't or is i can suggest to do given the other than that we're going to sort of these best opinion pronounced has come up with

the a wave of vine and protests and goals to western world where university students are demanding their alma matters at all times israel over from bergman of does up the details of the children there who are under the age of 2 and a suffering i q it's many edition $1.00 and $3.00 children is suffering from salmon . and dogs is rough. uh, according to the you. when this comes, as israel ground invasion of the enclave southern most city brings in more civilian casualties to the bottom of the on site. and he has time down on videos of its military recruitment product that says to me and train mobilization officers in action is now punishable with up to 8 years in prison as 11000 of the countries

criminal cases.