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had he kept cohen in the circle maybe this case would've never happened, but he backed away from cohen, and now you created an enemy out of someone like cohen. maybe that's a lesson trump learned about david pecker. you don't want to create enemies when you don't have to. pecker didn't want to be there, but he's under a nonprosecution agreement, an immunity deal, and on subpoena where he had to testify. perhaps that's part of it, too. >> tara, your take on trump's comments on pecker. the psychology of donald trump trying to assess and analyze the kind of information david pecker can reveal about him speaks to what david pecker knows about donald trump. >> absolutely. this is a multi-decade relationship. this is the tip of the iceberg. trump has had his hands in all kinds of salacious things over the years, and david pecker controlled a lot of that cremation flow. so it's a transactional relationship. donald trump may be a lot of things, but he's not stupid when it comes to knowing where his bread is buttered, or making sure who doesn't get on his backside, when he can control it. the m
had he kept cohen in the circle maybe this case would've never happened, but he backed away from cohen, and now you created an enemy out of someone like cohen. maybe that's a lesson trump learned about david pecker. you don't want to create enemies when you don't have to. pecker didn't want to be there, but he's under a nonprosecution agreement, an immunity deal, and on subpoena where he had to testify. perhaps that's part of it, too. >> tara, your take on trump's comments on pecker. the...
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he is going to back up and corroborate test many of michael cohen. we all know michael cohen has a credibility issue, given his prior convictions. he is going to corroborate that, and he's going to show what the payments were for that they weren't payments for legal services, that they were in fact hush money payments, and that leads [ inaudible ] >> one more question for you, renato. judge juan merchan has scheduled another hearing on trump's gag order. why didn't he rule after the first 10 times he allegedly violated the gag order.? >> there is an image of the sword of damocles hanging over your head. i think the judge wants this ruling hanging over the head over trump's lawyer. trump's lawyers now at the end of the day, ask evidence that comes in, they really don't want to be on the judge's bad side, and he is using this as a tool to try and get them to rein in their client as much as possible. >> oh, renato, that's really good. i'm sorry.[ laughter ] i love it when i hear stuff i have not heard before. anthony, i want to turn to the trump's immun
he is going to back up and corroborate test many of michael cohen. we all know michael cohen has a credibility issue, given his prior convictions. he is going to corroborate that, and he's going to show what the payments were for that they weren't payments for legal services, that they were in fact hush money payments, and that leads [ inaudible ] >> one more question for you, renato. judge juan merchan has scheduled another hearing on trump's gag order. why didn't he rule after the first...
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i think that you'll see other witnesses like hope hicks, like michael cohen just put on additional layers in filling out this picture of exactly how the scheme played out. >> now, pivoting right here to washington, as you heard me discuss with congressman thompson, the supreme court's conservative justices, many of whom were nominated by trump, appeared to at least considered his claim of total presidential immunity this week, some suggesting that such immunity was necessary for our democracy to function. the court's ruling is expected some time between now and july. what happens after that? >> well, it depends on what the court rules. rev, i was actually really surprised after this argument and during the argument. i thought that the supreme court would, perhaps, take its sweet time in issuing any ruling which would push off the possibility of a trial beyond the election, but i was really struck by the comments by some of the conservative justices who, as you said, really entertained this notion that a president would have immunity. not only that he would have it but that it would be nec
i think that you'll see other witnesses like hope hicks, like michael cohen just put on additional layers in filling out this picture of exactly how the scheme played out. >> now, pivoting right here to washington, as you heard me discuss with congressman thompson, the supreme court's conservative justices, many of whom were nominated by trump, appeared to at least considered his claim of total presidential immunity this week, some suggesting that such immunity was necessary for our...
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cohen's response? he was not worried because it jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald has him in his back pocket. >> david pecker acknowledged he did this catch and kill with karen mcdougal for the benefit of the truck campaign. >> they spent hours trying to trip them up, catch them in contributions. >> he grabs and president donald 's former executive assistant described as a gatekeeper, his right hand, and lawyers are being paid for by president donald . >> you heard that word gatekeeper. he has gatekeepers and allies and friends that are talking under oath and the da is getting details out of them to bolster the opening argument. where the jury was told cases about a criminal conspiracy and a cover-up. david pecker has been admitting that. he recounts his dealing with the star witness michael cohen to buy in and bury stories, in order to protect president donald 's campaign. they allege an agreement to then hide financial footprints. they told the jury this will also be corroborated with
cohen's response? he was not worried because it jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald has him in his back pocket. >> david pecker acknowledged he did this catch and kill with karen mcdougal for the benefit of the truck campaign. >> they spent hours trying to trip them up, catch them in contributions. >> he grabs and president donald 's former executive assistant described as a gatekeeper, his right hand, and lawyers are being paid for by president donald . >>...
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they testified against the finances surrounding the shell company of cohen. i wanted to hear what he said as he left court on friday. take a listen. >> the case is over. the case is over. you heard what was said. the k should be over. but you have to make that determination. they would never allow this to be open. >>> you hear the former president echoing what he had been saying on the campaign trail and on social media, railing against the case and saying that the biden administration is using it to keep him off the campaign trail as we inch closer to november. >> thank you for so much for that and joining that now is. as i welcome you both, trump's longtime former assistant and finance executive were called to the standby prosecution at the very end of the day on friday. what stood out to you by the short testimony and why call them to the stand? >> it is a documents case. we will have people talking about the documents. they did a really good job but what that means is that david pecker did a really good job because of the function that he played for the p
they testified against the finances surrounding the shell company of cohen. i wanted to hear what he said as he left court on friday. take a listen. >> the case is over. the case is over. you heard what was said. the k should be over. but you have to make that determination. they would never allow this to be open. >>> you hear the former president echoing what he had been saying on the campaign trail and on social media, railing against the case and saying that the biden...
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surrounding a shell company of cohen's. his testimony is set to continue into next week. alex? >> okay, and what are you watching for when court resumes on tuesday, specifically? >> alex, it is going to be a shorter week in court. it is not happening on monday. he is back on tuesday. that banking executive is set to continue and this witness list is expected to grow throughout the week. on wednesday, he is out of the courtroom and back on the campaign trail, hitting two major midwestern battleground states, wisconsin and michigan. on thursday, he is back in the courtroom for a gag order hearing on thursday morning. as these alleged violations continue to pile up until the judge's ruling. i want you to hear from the former president as he left court yesterday. take a listen. >> this is eight days that we have all been sitting in this courthouse. this is an indictment in order to try an election by fraud and nothing like this has ever happened. eight days. >> you heard the former president there, echoing what he has been sayi
surrounding a shell company of cohen's. his testimony is set to continue into next week. alex? >> okay, and what are you watching for when court resumes on tuesday, specifically? >> alex, it is going to be a shorter week in court. it is not happening on monday. he is back on tuesday. that banking executive is set to continue and this witness list is expected to grow throughout the week. on wednesday, he is out of the courtroom and back on the campaign trail, hitting two major...
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they are calling him just cohen, not even mr. cohen. he cooperates much of what he was going to say. his testimony will be in the broad middle. by david pecker, by the paper, and in other words, they are not relying on them. also making it clear this is about the campaign, nothing else. >> so tim, pecker agreed the story about astar, and it was gold. it could have been taken to the bank. what is the significant of this ? and what is the extent of the sacrifice that pecker was making to help trump? >> he was making a big financial sacrifice, alex. it certainly would be better if it has a screaming headline about the extramarital affair. and rather than crimped that story. he agrees not to and directly benefiting the trump campaign. the significance of that, that is the underlying crime. and the reason for the falsification of the records. the government has to approve that these records were falsified for the underlying purpose for protecting the campaign. they were effectively campaign contributions. and invoices for legal services. so
they are calling him just cohen, not even mr. cohen. he cooperates much of what he was going to say. his testimony will be in the broad middle. by david pecker, by the paper, and in other words, they are not relying on them. also making it clear this is about the campaign, nothing else. >> so tim, pecker agreed the story about astar, and it was gold. it could have been taken to the bank. what is the significant of this ? and what is the extent of the sacrifice that pecker was making to...
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the conspiracy between donald trump, michael cohen and david pecker, to catch and kill stories in order to benefit donald trump in the 2016 presidential election. the chickens are coming home to roost for trump . we have joyce vance and hugo lowell onset to break it all down. >>> special counsel jack smith federal election interference case, what some consider to be donald trump's most consequential trial, is hanging in the balance as the united states supreme court considers the question of how far the former president criminal immunity extends. on thursday, the high court hearing oral arguments. according to nbc news, although the court appears likely to reject trumps expensive claim of absolute immunity, it could remand the case for further proceedings. now, if a majority of justices take that route, it would doom the trial to be delayed until after the 2024 election. if trump wins the white house, the case may be thrown out altogether. while we await a decision, trump is not finding much sympathy from republican leadership with senate leader mitch mcconnell saying in an interview on
the conspiracy between donald trump, michael cohen and david pecker, to catch and kill stories in order to benefit donald trump in the 2016 presidential election. the chickens are coming home to roost for trump . we have joyce vance and hugo lowell onset to break it all down. >>> special counsel jack smith federal election interference case, what some consider to be donald trump's most consequential trial, is hanging in the balance as the united states supreme court considers the...
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testified about crucial 2015 meeting between himself, trump and trump's then personal lawyer michael cohen. prosecutors allege that it was at that meeting that the trio hashed out a plan to help trump's political chances by suppressing potentially scandalous stories about him. that strategy came to be known as catch and kill. now it may not seem like there are any similarities between trump's criminal trial in new york and the fake elector scheme but for one thing both involve the falsification of documents or records. on top of that both cases allege the former president worked with others in addition to a crime. 16 people in michigan were charged with felonies last year for their roles in the fake elector effort. six others in nevada have been similarly charged. in georgia last summer the fulton county district attorney pressed racketeering charges against trump and 18 others. that is a charge that is typically used to take down organized crime. four of those defendants have since reached plea agreements with prosecutors. fulton county is the only one -- but that case is bogged down. ful
testified about crucial 2015 meeting between himself, trump and trump's then personal lawyer michael cohen. prosecutors allege that it was at that meeting that the trio hashed out a plan to help trump's political chances by suppressing potentially scandalous stories about him. that strategy came to be known as catch and kill. now it may not seem like there are any similarities between trump's criminal trial in new york and the fake elector scheme but for one thing both involve the falsification...
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testified about a crucial meeting between himself, trump, and trumps the personal and fixer michael cohen. prosecutors allege it was at that meeting that the trio hashed out a plan to help donald trump's political chances by suppressing potentially scandalous stories about him. the strategy came to be known as "catch and kill." catch a story and kill it. it may not seem like there are any similarities between trumps trial in new york and that the collectors scheme about, for one thing, both of them involve the falsification of documents and records. both cases alleged the former president worked with others ind furtherance of a crime. in addition to the 18 people charged in arizona this week, as i mentioned, 16 people in michigan were charged with felonies last year for their roles in the fake elector effort in that state. six others in nevada have been charged and in georgia last summer, the fulton county district attorney rest racketeering charges against trump and 18 others, a charge typically used to take down organized crime. four of those defendants have since reached the agreements
testified about a crucial meeting between himself, trump, and trumps the personal and fixer michael cohen. prosecutors allege it was at that meeting that the trio hashed out a plan to help donald trump's political chances by suppressing potentially scandalous stories about him. the strategy came to be known as "catch and kill." catch a story and kill it. it may not seem like there are any similarities between trumps trial in new york and that the collectors scheme about, for one...
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he is completely likable as a witness and also michael cohen. he is not punching back in the same way. he has so many deliverables for this prosecution. >> susanne, on that note about him not being michael cohen, david pecker is someone who talked about idolizing and respecting donald trump to this day. he was someone when they were sitting around, it wasn't just these cases and what we are talking about, he was also writing stories and putting them in the national enquirer about trump's rivals. he seems to be a much better witness than michael cohen who has already been and gone to jail for lying. talk a little bit about that. >> i think it is important that people know that david pecker is a principle here. he was talking to donald trump and another principle . michael cohen is a lawyer that was going out and executing what donald trump wanted. donna trump's lawyers i think will make michael cohen out to be a rope actor but what you saw with david pecker was a principle ahead of the national enquirer talking to his friend donald trump about pl
he is completely likable as a witness and also michael cohen. he is not punching back in the same way. he has so many deliverables for this prosecution. >> susanne, on that note about him not being michael cohen, david pecker is someone who talked about idolizing and respecting donald trump to this day. he was someone when they were sitting around, it wasn't just these cases and what we are talking about, he was also writing stories and putting them in the national enquirer about trump's...
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number one, he was individual number one, when michael cohen came into federal court and pleaded guilty. so, trump is no stranger to be an unindicted something who is named in a criminal document. whether it be an indictment, an complaint. so, is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we are seeing is that it is up to-- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, hey, you know what? this affected our state, our county, the attorneys general could do the same thing, and you know, going back to why so long? what was the delay all about? i totally agree with what lisa said. i would just like to add to it. i mean, it is no surprise that prosecutors were probably waiting around to see who was going to be the first to do it, because it is scary. it is scary to indict former president of the united states, because he has and will fight like heck at every level and losing a case, maybe the first against the former president would be a crushing defeat. in my view, from a social perspective, it was no surprise that, in just the last year, was the first indic
number one, he was individual number one, when michael cohen came into federal court and pleaded guilty. so, trump is no stranger to be an unindicted something who is named in a criminal document. whether it be an indictment, an complaint. so, is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we are seeing is that it is up to-- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, hey, you know what? this affected our state, our county, the attorneys general could do the...
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at the heart of the case, $130,000 payment that michael cohen made to daniels so she would not go public, and how prosecutors say that payment was disguised. she testified that even though she no longer works for the trump organization, the company is paying her legal bills. the jury also heard from a former banker and first republic bank employee who helped to facilitate the payment , but the day began with the defense team seeking to undercut testimony of david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, and a key witness for prosecutors , testifying at length about how he helped to silence people who could have hurt mr. trump's election chances. trump's lawyers sought to raise questions about david memory and motive. david pecker was defined at one point, saying "i've been truthful to the best of my recollection ." the tabloid mogul also undermined the idea that trump wanted to bury those stories about women to protect his family, a common refrain from the defense. instead, he said he believed it was all to protect his campaign. >> i do have to begin by wishing melania trum
at the heart of the case, $130,000 payment that michael cohen made to daniels so she would not go public, and how prosecutors say that payment was disguised. she testified that even though she no longer works for the trump organization, the company is paying her legal bills. the jury also heard from a former banker and first republic bank employee who helped to facilitate the payment , but the day began with the defense team seeking to undercut testimony of david pecker, the former publisher of...
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it's incredibly important to link up the money trail, because michael cohen will need buttressing. he is going to be attacked like no witness in the case. he's been consistent about the story he's telling, but he will be attacked in terms of all of this untruthfulness, his participation in the crime. you can't prove a crime by just having that nuns embrace, you need participation. you need the transaction of the movement of the money around it, so i believe the government is doing exactly what they should be doing, probably putting him in the middle of the case. you want to set the stage about how important this crime is to prove, through david pecker, and put these custodial witnesses around again , and put: in the middle of the case. you do not want to the jurors, the last thing they hear, to be a bloody cross-examination, which is coming. >> i understand this case a lot better, thanks to the interpretation you both have provided. we appreciate having you on. thank you. >>> coming up, it's hard to overstate how bizarre and unprecedented yesterday supreme court oral arguments were
it's incredibly important to link up the money trail, because michael cohen will need buttressing. he is going to be attacked like no witness in the case. he's been consistent about the story he's telling, but he will be attacked in terms of all of this untruthfulness, his participation in the crime. you can't prove a crime by just having that nuns embrace, you need participation. you need the transaction of the movement of the money around it, so i believe the government is doing exactly what...
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pecker details how they worked with cohen. we will show you headlines that are for the most part false. a false allegation about then trump competitor marco rubio. another one. i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz. pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured. right down to the doctored photo. however bad it looks they said it was not a trump campaign thing. it is just how they roll. they brought up arnold schwarzenegger and that deal. pecker said the agreement i had with arnold is i would advise him about stories out there. acquire them. buy them for a period of time. defense highlighting cohen didn't pay him back for the mcdougal story to get jurors to doubt if this was a trump campaign thing. i spoke to her lawyer who told us this. >> the affairs happen in 2006. michael cohen and i first contacted each other about the matter in 2011. so at a minimum they knew about me and stormy at a min numb. in 2011. they knew about it in 2012 and 13, 14 and 15. they knew about it when do
pecker details how they worked with cohen. we will show you headlines that are for the most part false. a false allegation about then trump competitor marco rubio. another one. i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz. pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured. right down to the doctored photo. however bad it looks they said it was not a trump campaign thing. it is just how they roll. they brought up arnold schwarzenegger and that deal. pecker...
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point to what michael cohen says so what what he says has greater credibility than michael cohen himself. >> ankush khardori, let's talk about the order of all of this. the prosecution starts with the blockbuster witness, david pecker. now they are moving into the nitty-gritty. what kind of strategy goes into the sequence here? >> i think it is largely chronological, so far, as i can see it. they are just trying to lay out, tell the story in a simple chronological fashion, the best way to tell a story often is chronologically. but, i think that is what is happening here. i expect at some point, perhaps even next week, they are going to need to start to move into, okay, how are these records, how are these payments booked internally within the trump organization. maybe next week or the following week, at some point, the trial needs to get there. that is the meat and potatoes of the actual charges against trump. >> eugene, trump keeps complaining about the trial keeping him off the campaign trail and wednesday, when, you know, wednesday was his one day off from court this week, and he went
point to what michael cohen says so what what he says has greater credibility than michael cohen himself. >> ankush khardori, let's talk about the order of all of this. the prosecution starts with the blockbuster witness, david pecker. now they are moving into the nitty-gritty. what kind of strategy goes into the sequence here? >> i think it is largely chronological, so far, as i can see it. they are just trying to lay out, tell the story in a simple chronological fashion, the best...
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home equity loan which cohen funneled to stormy daniels through a shell company. on friday, he authenticated bank records from that shell company, which prosecutors showed to jurors. testimony will continue when the trial resumes tuesday morning. prosecutors are using his testimony to authenticate documents related to the transaction. gary farro's testimony will continue when the trial resumes tuesday morning. judge merchan also noticed that a gag order hearing will take place on thursday to hear evidence about the new violations donald trump has committed this week. leading up our discussion, he was in the courtroom today and will be every day. former supervisor of the special prosecutions and civil rights unit of the eastern district of new york. good evening to both of you. unlike a lot of donald trump supporters and family, you have been there, watching what is going on. tell us what happened. we had three interesting pieces of testimony. >> we did and first and foremost we had the end of david testimony. this has been weeklong testimony that set the course of
home equity loan which cohen funneled to stormy daniels through a shell company. on friday, he authenticated bank records from that shell company, which prosecutors showed to jurors. testimony will continue when the trial resumes tuesday morning. prosecutors are using his testimony to authenticate documents related to the transaction. gary farro's testimony will continue when the trial resumes tuesday morning. judge merchan also noticed that a gag order hearing will take place on thursday to...
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talking to michael cohen and donald trump about this. a very strong witness on the outside, it seems, on the stand. i wonder how much he is really undergirded a very strong argument in advance of michael cohen's testimony. >> there are a couple of things that are great about him. first you get the real sense that it is principal and principal. david pecker, donald trump. michael cohen is a staffer to use nicolle wallace's term. he is not a principal in this. you have the national enquirer and you have donald trump, they are making the decisions. that is important and he tells you how it began, how it was carried out and how it ended. he also gives you why it is a felony and why you should care. what i mean by why it is a felony, remember this would be a misdemeanor if it is not to conceal or further some other crime and he tells you it is election fraud. >> full on. >> up one side and down the other. so the only piece that is really missing is sort of the false business records. so the piece that you still need, obviously there are false
talking to michael cohen and donald trump about this. a very strong witness on the outside, it seems, on the stand. i wonder how much he is really undergirded a very strong argument in advance of michael cohen's testimony. >> there are a couple of things that are great about him. first you get the real sense that it is principal and principal. david pecker, donald trump. michael cohen is a staffer to use nicolle wallace's term. he is not a principal in this. you have the national enquirer...
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david pecker says michael cohen couldn't take me out to lunch without donald trump's approval. they will try to say this is a line of credit. >> trumps assistant, who was there just to show these folks showed up in trumps rolodex, right? >> and the way they showed up. audible laughter in the overflow courtroom when the stormy exhibit came up. the argument the defense was trying to make was she was somebody trump was considering for "the apprentice." in that case, you would expect that it would say stephanie clifford, there would be an agent, a lawyer, there would be contact information. instead you have >>>, no last name, with a cell phone number. just audible laughter once we get that. >> ariel min and kristy greenberg, thank you both, that was fantastic. >>> trumps new york election interference trial kicks into high gear. the latest witnesses for the prosecution and what they know about the ex-president, that's ahead. ahead. everybody should have it. it worked great for us. this is as good as gold in any garden. if people only knew that it really is about the dirt. you're a
david pecker says michael cohen couldn't take me out to lunch without donald trump's approval. they will try to say this is a line of credit. >> trumps assistant, who was there just to show these folks showed up in trumps rolodex, right? >> and the way they showed up. audible laughter in the overflow courtroom when the stormy exhibit came up. the argument the defense was trying to make was she was somebody trump was considering for "the apprentice." in that case, you would...
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which cohen paid daniels. his testimony will continue when court reconvenes on tuesday. joining me now is lisa reuben, msnbc legal correspondent and tristan snell, former assistant attorney general for new york and author of "taking down trump, 12 rules for prosecuting donald trump by someone who did it successfully." lisa, i'm going to go to you first. hopefully i characterized the day properly now. tell me what stood out to you? >> one moment that stood out most is one you just covered. joshua steinglass was literally right up to the lunch break when he got to that line of questions about "national enquirer" gold. bove was trying to establish through his cross-examination that many facets of the arrangement between trump, cohen, and pecker, the thing prosecutors have characterized as a conspiracy were standard operating procedure. he used those three words so many times it was like his mantra. but steinglass poked holes in that by showing that the payment to karen mcdougal and the purpose to which it was put
which cohen paid daniels. his testimony will continue when court reconvenes on tuesday. joining me now is lisa reuben, msnbc legal correspondent and tristan snell, former assistant attorney general for new york and author of "taking down trump, 12 rules for prosecuting donald trump by someone who did it successfully." lisa, i'm going to go to you first. hopefully i characterized the day properly now. tell me what stood out to you? >> one moment that stood out most is one you...
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pecker saying how they worked with cohen. i'm going to show you the head lines that are for the most part false, a false allegation about trump competitor marco rubio. another one i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz. pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured right down to the doctored photo. trump's lawyers said this was a routine thing they did. however bad it looks, it was not a trump campaign thing, it's how they roll. they brought up arnold schwarzenegger, the deal i had with an nold, i would acquire them, buy them for a period of time. defense saying cohen didn't pay the enquirer back for the mcdougall story. that's trying to get the jurors to doubt whether this was a trump campaign thing or maybe just an enquirer thing. now mcdougall, who you see on the screen, i spoke to her lawyer back in 2019, keith davidson, who told us this. >> the affairs happened in 2006. michael cohen and i first contacted each other about the matter in 2011. so at a minimum they knew about
pecker saying how they worked with cohen. i'm going to show you the head lines that are for the most part false, a false allegation about trump competitor marco rubio. another one i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz. pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured right down to the doctored photo. trump's lawyers said this was a routine thing they did. however bad it looks, it was not a trump campaign thing, it's how they roll. they brought up...
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it wasn't michael cohen. who had sex with stormy daniels, it wasn't michael cohen. who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution has put in a few things about he's a challenging kind of client for that bank guy. pecker thinks he exaggerates. so the jury, i'm sure, is very curious to see this guy. and i think the da's main task, they have laid the tracks well, but they know that cohen is coming. their main task is between hicks, between pecker, and then the paperwork is to corroborate every single hole so at the end of the day, they can get up and say, look, michael cohen, first of all, you can believe him for these reasons, but even if yo
it wasn't michael cohen. who had sex with stormy daniels, it wasn't michael cohen. who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name...
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i was being duped by cohen. cohens was using me to make these transactions that i didn't know about the purpose. he was lying to me. they can start to paint him as a bad guy. >> we're going to take a quick break as this testimony continues. we'll bring you back on the other side of a short break with a little more from gary farro and our guests here. don't go anywhere. r guestser he. don't go anywhere. [coughing] copd hasn't been pretty. it's tough to breathe and tough to keep wondering if this is as good as it gets. but trelegy has shown me that there's still beauty and breath to be had. because with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy keeps my airways open and prevents future flare-ups. and with one dose a day, trelegy improves lung function so i can breathe more freely all day and night. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase
i was being duped by cohen. cohens was using me to make these transactions that i didn't know about the purpose. he was lying to me. they can start to paint him as a bad guy. >> we're going to take a quick break as this testimony continues. we'll bring you back on the other side of a short break with a little more from gary farro and our guests here. don't go anywhere. r guestser he. don't go anywhere. [coughing] copd hasn't been pretty. it's tough to breathe and tough to keep wondering...
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she's going to be a super important witness because she doesn't have cohen's baggage, michael cohen's baggage. it's the opposite. hope hicks was team trump all the way during the period that's the subject of this indictment. so it makes her especially credible. she's going to be able to connect the hush money payments with trump's presidential ambitions. that's what prosecution also needed david pecker to do. to link the catch and kill agreement to the campaign, and that's exactly what he did. so, again, the defense tried to attack pecker's credibility in order to testify. they didn't score big points, and they're not going to be able to go there with hope hicks. she's going to be a strong witness for the prosecution. >> you know, jeremy, before the break, defense spent a lot of time grilling david pecker about a non-prosecution agreement, the jurors learned an awful lot about catch and kill. on one hand, it's pretty straightforward, right? catch and kill is you find out that there's a story that you want to bury, you pay for it, and you make sure they sign an agreement that says nobo
she's going to be a super important witness because she doesn't have cohen's baggage, michael cohen's baggage. it's the opposite. hope hicks was team trump all the way during the period that's the subject of this indictment. so it makes her especially credible. she's going to be able to connect the hush money payments with trump's presidential ambitions. that's what prosecution also needed david pecker to do. to link the catch and kill agreement to the campaign, and that's exactly what he did....
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pecker did say that michael cohen was kind of full of himself. he was trying to put his fingers in everything, and he was acting like he was a campaign lawyer, but that wasn't his job. so that will support trump's defense that it wasn't his intent to try to win the election by shutting up stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, maybe that's something that michael cohen was trying to do, but trump will try to get the jury to think he didn't have anything to do with that, that michael cohen was a lone wolf. >> for the first time our team that has been inside the courthouse can join us live to talk about what they saw. i want to bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, msnbc contributor and "new york times" investigative correspondent sue craig, and legal analyst kristy greenberg as i always do, i want to get, first of all, lisa, just your big takeaways from the morning because, again, we're reading the document. we're not in there. but for the last day of what's been a long week, it sounds like there was some real moments in that courtroom. >> the
pecker did say that michael cohen was kind of full of himself. he was trying to put his fingers in everything, and he was acting like he was a campaign lawyer, but that wasn't his job. so that will support trump's defense that it wasn't his intent to try to win the election by shutting up stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, maybe that's something that michael cohen was trying to do, but trump will try to get the jury to think he didn't have anything to do with that, that michael cohen was a lone...
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that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was donald trump's pick not prosecutor's pick. we are seeing this process that defense lawyer goes through in cross-examination. as vaughn said, they can't argue the evidence when they are cross-examining the witness. they are collecting coins that they hope will turn out to be valuable in closing argument when they can go back and argue to the jury. you can't really believe these people, they are not credible. >> the other thing, catherine, is this gag order hearing. judge merchan set it for next thursday. that's another week before dealing with the gag order. why do you think he is taking so long? was he trying to collect more evidence? >> it's inexplicable. one could say he is being passive aggressive. the reason why i say it's inexplicable, you are then allowing -- we're going into a weekend. donald trump to intimidate witnesses, intimidate jurors. he has -- the gag order is supposed to stop him. if the judge had sanctioned him in some way
that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was donald trump's pick not prosecutor's pick. we are seeing this process that defense lawyer goes through in cross-examination. as vaughn said, they can't argue the evidence when they are cross-examining the witness. they are collecting coins that they hope will turn out to be valuable in closing argument when they can go back and argue to the jury. you can't really...
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both michael cohen can too, depending on how he testifies. he's got a lot more credibility issues than david pecker. >> i think some may be surprised to learn through this process that paparazzi were being sent to meetings when there was no interest in it. and maybe that the -- you know, martians maybe weren't real. interesting also to see, vaughn, how right now there is that attempt by the defense to damage the credibility of david pecker, specifically on things he said about donald trump and whether donald trump thanked him or did not thank him. >> right, that january 2017 meeting that we're talking about at trump tower when we were -- first got on the show, jose, in which david pecker testified that he went to trump tower there, and just after a meeting that donald trump had with the likes of james comey, reince priebus and sean spicer there, two weeks before he was sworn in as president, david pecker replaced all the individuals and had testified this week that that is where donald trump had thanked him for purchasing the rights to dino t
both michael cohen can too, depending on how he testifies. he's got a lot more credibility issues than david pecker. >> i think some may be surprised to learn through this process that paparazzi were being sent to meetings when there was no interest in it. and maybe that the -- you know, martians maybe weren't real. interesting also to see, vaughn, how right now there is that attempt by the defense to damage the credibility of david pecker, specifically on things he said about donald...
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the case is about michael cohen and if you don't believe michael cohen, i think the jury has to acquit. >> it will be interesting to hear and see his influence on this jury and how the prosecutor navigates this potential trap i guess you could say. everybody stay with us. richard, we'll come to you on the other side of another quick break. please stay with us. you're watching our personal coverage here on msnbc. r personl coverage here on msnbc (psst! psst!) ahhh! with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary. spray flonase sensimist daily for non-drowsy long lasting relief in a scent free, gentle mist. flonase all good. also, try our allergy headache and nighttime pills. with schwab investing themes™, it's easy to invest in ideas you believe in. spot a trend in electric vehicles? have a passion for online gaming? or want to explore the space economy? choose from over 40 themes, each with up to 25 stocks identified by our unique algorithm. buy it as-is or customize to align with your goals. all at your fingertips. schwab investing themes. 40 customizable themes. up to 25 stocks in j
the case is about michael cohen and if you don't believe michael cohen, i think the jury has to acquit. >> it will be interesting to hear and see his influence on this jury and how the prosecutor navigates this potential trap i guess you could say. everybody stay with us. richard, we'll come to you on the other side of another quick break. please stay with us. you're watching our personal coverage here on msnbc. r personl coverage here on msnbc (psst! psst!) ahhh! with flonase, allergies...
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he said cohen had paid for the money for stormy daniels. but because he said david pecker refused to pay the money because he said he already paid hundreds of thousands on the catch-and-kill scheme, he said the boss would be furious. that boss, of course, was donald trump. he learned in december of 2022 that donald trump had paid it. prosecutors are trying to show that donald trump not only paid for it but that he falsified his business records to show that he didn't pay for it. they say that's a crime. the defense has got to poke some holes in the strong line of communication david pecker set up in the direct examination. >> we're told that david pecker has taken the stand again. i want to ask you something. donald trump has been saying repeatedly and did again this morning in a social media post that they have locked up the courthouse to keep his supporters away. he said the idea is to keep maga supporters away. it's a courthouse, open to the public. there's a park across the street. what's your sense of things? >> i think you can see tra
he said cohen had paid for the money for stormy daniels. but because he said david pecker refused to pay the money because he said he already paid hundreds of thousands on the catch-and-kill scheme, he said the boss would be furious. that boss, of course, was donald trump. he learned in december of 2022 that donald trump had paid it. prosecutors are trying to show that donald trump not only paid for it but that he falsified his business records to show that he didn't pay for it. they say that's...
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additionally pecker said his conversations with cohen included asking trump to pay cohen back at cohen's request. trump has denied any sexual encounters with daniels or mcdougal. danny, we mention how it appears the defense here is trying to lay this groundwork any dealings trump had with pecker were meant to protect trump as a person -- again, we're talking personal not official capacities. but why is that so important here? >> the cross-examination yesterday started off in a very predictable direction. number one, attack the witness's memory. number two, he's essentially a cooperating witness so go into the deal he made with federal and state prosecutors. yes, specific to these facts, what the defense is trying to develop is that this is the kind of thing that pecker, ami, cohen, that they were doing for a long time. this relationship, whatever you want to call it, this catch and kill relation existed in some form or another, and it dated back to the 2000s. for literally years, maybe decades before a presidential campaign. and that is the kind of atmosphere that they tried to create. w
additionally pecker said his conversations with cohen included asking trump to pay cohen back at cohen's request. trump has denied any sexual encounters with daniels or mcdougal. danny, we mention how it appears the defense here is trying to lay this groundwork any dealings trump had with pecker were meant to protect trump as a person -- again, we're talking personal not official capacities. but why is that so important here? >> the cross-examination yesterday started off in a very...
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he says he called up trump attorney michael cohen. michael cohen told him don't worry about it. even though it's this time of night, we don't have yet the official transcript from court today, still. but we do have a bunch of reporters in the courtroom and in the overflow room and able to take detailed notes, which is what i'm about to read from now. joshua steinglass, the prosecutor, quotes, did you receive a letter from the federal election commission? >> david pecker, yes. steinglass, did you speak to michael cohen? >> pecker, i said michael i just received this letter what do we do it, and michael cohen said jeff sessions has him in his pocket. i said i am very worried. for the record attorneys general aren't supposed to fit in the president's pocket even if the president wears notoriously wide leg pants. this bill david pecker testified today trump asked about, one of the people whose silence they had paid for, he said trump asked him in 2017 before he was nugerated, quote, how's our girl doing, meaning how's karen mcdougal? david pecker said he told trump in response thing
he says he called up trump attorney michael cohen. michael cohen told him don't worry about it. even though it's this time of night, we don't have yet the official transcript from court today, still. but we do have a bunch of reporters in the courtroom and in the overflow room and able to take detailed notes, which is what i'm about to read from now. joshua steinglass, the prosecutor, quotes, did you receive a letter from the federal election commission? >> david pecker, yes. steinglass,...
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"if anyone should buy it, it should be donald trump and michael cohen." david pecker said that michael cohen was upset and responded that "the boss would be furious ." david pecker said today he believed trump or his company pay daniels until michael cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove that mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. david pecker testified that trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on 60 minutes. >> was it hush money? >> yes. >> david pecker said trump called him and said, we have an agreement with stormy daniels, that she can't mention my name. trump denied knowledge of the arrangement, the cross- examination, trump's lawyers challenged david credibility in business practices. at a campaign event, trump addressed the testimony of his longtime friend. >> david is a nice guy. >> what do we know about the payment to stormy daniels? >> reporter: david pecker testified about a payment his company did make to former playboy model, karen mcdougal,
"if anyone should buy it, it should be donald trump and michael cohen." david pecker said that michael cohen was upset and responded that "the boss would be furious ." david pecker said today he believed trump or his company pay daniels until michael cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove that mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. david pecker testified that trump was aghast when...
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did you speak to michael cohen? never. when i received criminal record, i called michael cohen. i said, i received this letter, what do we do? michael cullen said, jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. i said, i'm very worried." attorneys general are not supposed to fit in the presidents pocket even if the president wears notoriously wide pants. still, david pecker testified that trump asked about one of the people whose silence they paid for and he said trump asked in january, 2017, before inauguration, "how's our girl doing?" meaning, how is karen mcdougal. he said that things were fine, she was then quiet. they asked about her again that summer, when he invited david pecker to the white house. he says trump asked, "how is karen doing?" david pecker said he said "i said she's quiet, everything's going good." david pecker said he finally had to put his foot down on any additional payments for trump, because trump was not paying him back like he said he would, first for a doorman, from a trump property who made a wild claim about a supposi
did you speak to michael cohen? never. when i received criminal record, i called michael cohen. i said, i received this letter, what do we do? michael cullen said, jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. i said, i'm very worried." attorneys general are not supposed to fit in the presidents pocket even if the president wears notoriously wide pants. still, david pecker testified that trump asked about one of the people whose silence they paid for and he...
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pecker said he coordinated with cohen because he was concerned paying mcdougal could violate campaign finance law. so they worked up an agreement to pay for contributions to magazines owned by american media, adding he believed trump was aware of the payment. the prosecution asking pecker was your principal purpose to suppress her story so as not to influence the election? pecker responding yes, it was. >> and we have peter baker and joy spent still with us. joyce, i wanted to start with you. let's talk about the fact that the day began before david pecker cut back on the witness stand, with the manhattan d.a.s office saying there four alleged violations, brand-new ones, of the expanded gag order, judge merchan setting a hearing for next thursday. we don't have a ruling from the first motion for contempt? so what is the delay, because we now have four new violations. >> we do. we have ongoing violations, and the issue that the judge basis is either this gag order has teeth and he will enforce it, or it does not have teeth and in which case donald trump can do anything he wants to do w
pecker said he coordinated with cohen because he was concerned paying mcdougal could violate campaign finance law. so they worked up an agreement to pay for contributions to magazines owned by american media, adding he believed trump was aware of the payment. the prosecution asking pecker was your principal purpose to suppress her story so as not to influence the election? pecker responding yes, it was. >> and we have peter baker and joy spent still with us. joyce, i wanted to start with...
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and we heard an earful about the campaign, mostly through michael cohen constantly worrying about what the bosses thinking. when the transcript came, there are more than a dozen mentions of the boss. typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the boss will be very angry if you release her from the nondisclosure deal. or this will please the boss. as to the general tenor of the things. and if trump's defense is that essentially he didn't know what was going on, he had more important things to worry about, having the jury hear the boss again and again and again, a dozen times, doesn't help his case. there was a fascinating moment when the jury saw after trump was elected, trump in the white house with david pecker , at trump's invitation. his dinner, trump put it. and this was the conversation that they had. >> this photograph was entered into evidence today. >> yes. the jury was looking at this photograph when david pecker was narrating, and i have the transept in front of me. did the subject of karen mcdougal, but all? at the time of the dinner, mr. trump as
and we heard an earful about the campaign, mostly through michael cohen constantly worrying about what the bosses thinking. when the transcript came, there are more than a dozen mentions of the boss. typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the boss will be very angry if you release her from the nondisclosure deal. or this will please the boss. as to the general tenor of the things. and if trump's defense is that essentially he didn't know what was going on, he had...
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michael cohen told him don't worry about it. now, even though it is this time of night, we do not yet have the official transcript from court today, still. but, we do have a bunch of reporters who were in the courtroom and were who were in the overflow room and able to take detailed notes, which is what i am about to read from. the prosecutor, "did you receive a letter from the federal election commission? david pecker, yes. when i received criminal record, i called up michael coming. said michael, i just received this letter, what do you do about it? michael cohen said jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. i said i am very worried. for the record, attorneys general aren't supposed to fit in the presidents pocket, even if a president with notoriously wide leg pants. still, david pecker testified today trump asked about one of the people whose assignments they had paid for . he said trump asked him in january 2017 before he was inaugurated, "how is our girl doing?" meaning how is karen mcdo
michael cohen told him don't worry about it. now, even though it is this time of night, we do not yet have the official transcript from court today, still. but, we do have a bunch of reporters who were in the courtroom and were who were in the overflow room and able to take detailed notes, which is what i am about to read from. the prosecutor, "did you receive a letter from the federal election commission? david pecker, yes. when i received criminal record, i called up michael coming. said...
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that transaction is then put back on michael cohen and trump because pecker doesn't want to front any more money. what i found extraordinary today, many extraordinary moments, but one of them and i think this was brilliant by the prosecution, really showing how the deal was structured with karen mcdougal, david pecker knew this was a campaign finance violation. the waythy structured that contract for the fitness columns which had an assigned reporter to ghost write them and she was unhappy with her fitness column, the first one. she didn't like it because the ghost writer had mentioned the benefits of vitamin d in the column. she said i want a new ghost writer which david pecker spoke on the stand today. it really kind of drove home for me, joy, that the way they structured that agreement, they were aware of the finance. >> they wanted to be paid back because they didn't want to show it on their books. they were hoping donald trump would persony give back the money, the $150,000. they were going to deduct $25,000, what seas actually getting paid to be our fitness columnist and you're
that transaction is then put back on michael cohen and trump because pecker doesn't want to front any more money. what i found extraordinary today, many extraordinary moments, but one of them and i think this was brilliant by the prosecution, really showing how the deal was structured with karen mcdougal, david pecker knew this was a campaign finance violation. the waythy structured that contract for the fitness columns which had an assigned reporter to ghost write them and she was unhappy with...
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. >> pecker tells cohen, quote, we committed a campaign violation. cohen's response according to pecker, said he wasn't worried because, quote, jeff sessions is the attorney general, and donald trump has him in his pocket. >> if legal hell week is a thing, this might be it for defendant trump. we'll be right back. they need their lawn back fast and you need scotts turf builder rapid grass. it grows grass 2 times faster than just seed alone. giving you a stronger lawn. smell that freedom, eh? get scotts turf builder rapid grass today, it's guaranteed. feed your lawn. feed it. power e*trade's easy-to-use tools, like dynamic charting and risk-reward analysis, help make trading feel effortless. and its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market. e*trade from morgan stanley when migraine strikes you're faced with a choice. ride it out with the tradeoffs of treating? or push through the pain and symptoms? with ubrelvy, there's another option. one dose works fast to eliminate migraine pain treat it anytime,
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arrangement and places the blame on michael cohen. what david pecker testified to today was the fact that donald trump was intimately involved with the agreement there and was aware of it and called it our agreement, him, michael cohen and stormy daniels, and this was not just a stormy daniels-michael cohen agreement. >> andrew? >> this reminds me, you, me and vaughn feels like four years ago, i think two days ago -- >> 17 years ago, aka yesterday. >> yes. george conway related the same type of story where he and his wife were invited to dinner with jared and ivanka, and he said the president called to say are you watching this? so he clearly was -- this is -- it's exactly the same time frame. but i think vaughn has it exactly right, which is, thank you have the d.a. sort of bringing donald trump directly through direct evidence, it's not through michael cohen, you have a witness saying i spoke to him, this was his reaction. essentially what on god's green earth are you doing? why did you release her and why is she speaking and that e
arrangement and places the blame on michael cohen. what david pecker testified to today was the fact that donald trump was intimately involved with the agreement there and was aware of it and called it our agreement, him, michael cohen and stormy daniels, and this was not just a stormy daniels-michael cohen agreement. >> andrew? >> this reminds me, you, me and vaughn feels like four years ago, i think two days ago -- >> 17 years ago, aka yesterday. >> yes. george conway...
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what he's going to try to do is what i said, how much was it him and cohen and cohen directing him as opposed to my innocent client, donald trump. that's his only way of doing that. even that tape which people say is the bombshell, unless we've only heard an excerpt of it, cohen is saying when trump says cash, he says no, no, no, i got it. so that's the defense perspective. so that's their only chance because they can go and, you know, when you've lied because your whole career is just putting lies, so liar, liar, liar, but it speaks for itself, if you can corroborate what pecker is saying, cohen is saying, and all the other documents. >> you also have any number of people who have been in the courtroom who have described him as credible that people seem to be paying very close attention. >> he's his authentic self. >> it's a very difficult cross and just to build on what catherine said because i think you have to do that, you have to keep sort of putting michael cohen as central as possible, but the other is to do what's called a safe cross, which is just to is to do a safe cross, wh
what he's going to try to do is what i said, how much was it him and cohen and cohen directing him as opposed to my innocent client, donald trump. that's his only way of doing that. even that tape which people say is the bombshell, unless we've only heard an excerpt of it, cohen is saying when trump says cash, he says no, no, no, i got it. so that's the defense perspective. so that's their only chance because they can go and, you know, when you've lied because your whole career is just putting...
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he was individual one was michael cohen came into court and pleaded guilty. donald trump is no stranger to being an unindicted something who is named in a criminal document, whether it be an indictment, a complaint. so is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we're seeing is that it's up to -- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, you know what? this affected our state, our county. the attorneys general can do the same thing. you know, going back to why so long, what was the delay all about, i totally agree with what lisa said. i'd like to add to it. i mean, it is no surprise that prosecutors were probably wait ing around to see who was going to be the first to do it because it is scary. it is scary to indict a former president of the united states because he has and will fight like heck at every level. and losing a case, maybe one of the first cases against a former president, would be a crushing defeat. so, in my view, from a social perspective, it was no surprise that in just the last year, once the first indic
he was individual one was michael cohen came into court and pleaded guilty. donald trump is no stranger to being an unindicted something who is named in a criminal document, whether it be an indictment, a complaint. so is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we're seeing is that it's up to -- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, you know what? this affected our state, our county. the attorneys general can do the same thing. you know, going back to...
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he's a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many peopleinate just me and he got in trouble for things outside what he did for me. >> seemed to be in direct violation of the order as it is written. i think it's problematic for him especially while the judge is currently sitting and trying to decide the issue. >> tim, you're no longer on the payroll, man. meanwhile, in washington the supreme court will hear arguments this morning in the historic case involving trump and his claim of absolute presidential immunity. trump's legal team argues that presidents have immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts taken while in office. special counsel jack smith's office contends that presidents are not above the law and that even if they are eligible for immunity for some official acts, trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election was not an official presidential act. now, trump's immunity claim has already been rejected by two lower courts, and the special counsel argues that justices should send the case ba
he's a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many peopleinate just me and he got in trouble for things outside what he did for me. >> seemed to be in direct violation of the order as it is written. i think it's problematic for him especially while the judge is currently sitting and trying to decide the issue. >> tim, you're no longer on the payroll, man. meanwhile, in washington the supreme court will hear arguments this...
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the trial must have done an interview with a news outlet in which he said the same things to michael cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. the escalation is happening even before the verdict or ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> yus, poking the bear quite literally. well, hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with dave pecker on the stand. lisa rubin, brian stelter, no two better people to talk about this with. >>> still ahead tonight i'll talk with congresswoman ilhan omar about the massive protests. tomorrow morning the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump hopes is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that's next. for everything he did while he was president? that's next. these bills are crae has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a
the trial must have done an interview with a news outlet in which he said the same things to michael cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. the escalation is happening even before the verdict or ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> yus, poking the bear quite literally. well, hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with dave pecker on the stand. lisa rubin, brian stelter, no two better people to talk about this with....
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his debut in criminal indictments as individual one in new york and the federal indictment of michael cohen in the stormy daniels payoff case. he is a coconspirator. what is the difference between georgia and arizona? only we don't have a tape recorded telephone call with the secretary of state of arizona. >> yeah. that obviously is a huge piece of evidence that georgia has. it is not clear yet why we have alter egos charged in arizona. but not the ego. the main principle person for whom this is done. the fake electors didn't do this on their own. people like rudy giuliani, the lawyers, they are all staffed to somebody who is the president. but it is unclear what the lack of proof is. for sure it is because they don't have enough direct evidence yet against him. but it is important to note that i stress the word yet. these are state charges regardless of who wins the presidential election. whether it is biden or trump, it doesn't matter because you cannot have a federal pardon of these cases. so these people are going to be going to trial in arizona. what tim is saying so people understand
his debut in criminal indictments as individual one in new york and the federal indictment of michael cohen in the stormy daniels payoff case. he is a coconspirator. what is the difference between georgia and arizona? only we don't have a tape recorded telephone call with the secretary of state of arizona. >> yeah. that obviously is a huge piece of evidence that georgia has. it is not clear yet why we have alter egos charged in arizona. but not the ego. the main principle person for whom...
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must have done an interview with a news outlet in which he said some of the same things about michael cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. so, you know, the escalation is happening even before the verdict or the ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> yes, poking the bear literally. hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow. when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa and bryan, no two better people to talk about this with. thank you for your time. >>> still ahead tonight, i will talk to congresswoman ilhan omar about the protests in gaza. but first, tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. sharp, the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump hopes is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that's next. e he was president? that's next. type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone. ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under
must have done an interview with a news outlet in which he said some of the same things about michael cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. so, you know, the escalation is happening even before the verdict or the ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> yes, poking the bear literally. hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow. when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa and bryan, no two better people to talk about this with. thank...
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must have done an interview with a news outlet in which he said some of the same things about michael cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. the escalation is happening even before the verdict or the ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> poking the bear, quite literally. hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa rubin, brian stelter, thank you both for your time. >>> still ahead tonight, i will talk to congresswoman ilhan omar about the protests on gazan heating up on campuses across the country. >>> tomorrow morning, the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump helps is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that is next. is next. ♪♪ imagine a future where plastic is not wasted... but instead remade over and over... into the things that keep our food fresher, our families safer, and our planet cleaner. to help us get there, america's plastic makers are investing billions of dollars to cr
must have done an interview with a news outlet in which he said some of the same things about michael cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. the escalation is happening even before the verdict or the ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> poking the bear, quite literally. hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa rubin, brian stelter, thank you both for your time. >>> still...
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cohen pleaded guilty to lying to congress and lying to a bank. so trump is not making that part up. but it's important to remember why he committed those crimes and who he did them for. he did it to protect donald trump. cohen lied to congress about business deals trump pursued in russia while he was running for president because trump wanted him to conceal those business deals so his russia baggage wouldn't look so obvious. and cohen lied to a bank to take out a home equity line of credit to pay to silence a woman alleging a sexual relationship with donald trump. namely stormy daniels. trump weirdly keeps leaving out those details when he calls his former personal attorney and fixer a criminal. in clear violation, by the way, of a gag order. tomorrow there will be another chance to hold donald trump accountable in an unprecedented case with farther reaching implications, not just for him but for our democracy. the u.s. supreme court will hear arguments in donald trump versus the united states about whether he can claim sweeping presidential immu
cohen pleaded guilty to lying to congress and lying to a bank. so trump is not making that part up. but it's important to remember why he committed those crimes and who he did them for. he did it to protect donald trump. cohen lied to congress about business deals trump pursued in russia while he was running for president because trump wanted him to conceal those business deals so his russia baggage wouldn't look so obvious. and cohen lied to a bank to take out a home equity line of credit to...
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it's not them blaming cohen. they're saying even if it did happened, if he did it, that's not an election law violation. now we heard this argument before, which is why we try to go to the source around here. because long before this week's opening arguments, attorney tacopina hammered this same attack on the election law in our interview. and while we had a back and forth, and i'll show you some of it, legally, this could potentially work. the d.a. is saying the money was under the table campaign spending. then trump lawyer tacopina and his lawyers today have basically been arguing if trump would pay that money irrespective of the campaign, if he paid other ndas or the "enquirer" did this other times, this this campaign violation could evaporate. >> if the spending were the fulfillment of a commitment or the expenditure, would exist irrespective of the campaign, it's not a campaign law violation. end of story. >> that is their third defense and how they want to end the story. and a jury might see it that way. an
it's not them blaming cohen. they're saying even if it did happened, if he did it, that's not an election law violation. now we heard this argument before, which is why we try to go to the source around here. because long before this week's opening arguments, attorney tacopina hammered this same attack on the election law in our interview. and while we had a back and forth, and i'll show you some of it, legally, this could potentially work. the d.a. is saying the money was under the table...
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some will have a lot of baggage like michael cohen. you look for, what are the tent poles of hard evidence? that paralegal is going to take the stand and talk about phone records. that's been alluded to about certain key times. you build a time line of when things happened. it can be so devastating, both in terms of just what happened when, because you -- those records don't lie. you can really place certain things in chronological order. you can obviously show that somebody's implicated. if you notice at the outset of david pecker's testimony, he was asked about his telephone numbers. they want to link up to the records they have. on october 26, just before the election, the prosecutor referenced in his opening two telephone calls between michael cohen and donald trump. right after that, michael cohen creates essential consulting, the vehicle used to pay stormy daniels. there will be a lot of pieces like that. then there are witnesses like hope hicks, where you think -- we think we know the whole story. that is somebody, like david pe
some will have a lot of baggage like michael cohen. you look for, what are the tent poles of hard evidence? that paralegal is going to take the stand and talk about phone records. that's been alluded to about certain key times. you build a time line of when things happened. it can be so devastating, both in terms of just what happened when, because you -- those records don't lie. you can really place certain things in chronological order. you can obviously show that somebody's implicated. if...